SIG P320 Fiasco ! | What Do I Think About It?

My thoughts on the SIG P320 fiasco.
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Hickock 45 here. All right, y’all been asking me over and over, what’s my impression? What’s my take? What do I think? What’s my opinion about the Sig P320 controversy, all that? I’ve not weighed in on it. Well, you’re probably missing some Sunday shootarounds, but uh why not? Let me talk about a little bit. Okay. And before I do, let’s load up. I’ve got one here in 10 mm. CP320 10 mm. Let’s point it down range. Put one in the chamber. Yeah, man. [Music] All right, it’s finally empty. Let’s make sure. All right. So, that’s a Sig uh P320 and 10 mm. I think I have one. Oh, yeah. Pretty common. The military, the commemorative. Yes. P320. Definitely nothing in the chamber. So, let’s put it down range. Put one in the chamber. Huh? Let’s take the safety off. [Music] [Applause] Definitely empty. P320. Yes, this one is a 9 mm and it is the uh pretty much exact not a replica. It’s one of the military models, right? Okay. It’s a commemorative. Okay. So, that’s a couple of mine. I have one more I don’t have with me. It’s the compact P320 compact. In fact, it was supposed to Well, it was uh was there wasn’t really a recall, was it? But you have the drop safety issue with those. And I uh could have sent it back in to have that worked on, but I decided I just I just wouldn’t drop it. How’s that? Especially loaded. No, I haven’t sent it back. So, I have three Sig P320s in my possession, my ownership. All of which I purchased with my hard-earned dollars. Okay. Uh so I don’t have a uh uh probably what you would consider a valuable take on this. Uh I have seen some videos. I follow it. Yeah, it’s in the firearms industry. I follow something that’s going on obviously that’s becoming more and more an issue over the years. You know, I have commented probably many times about these firearms that go off in the past. It’s always been seems like a Glock or something. It’s generally whatever people carry the most, there’s going to be more unintentional discharges, right? Just like wonder which cars wreck the most. I think at one point the cars that were stolen the most, the number one stolen car was I think a Toyota Camry for a bunch of years. I don’t know what it is now. Does that mean that’s the most desirable car on the road? People want to steal it. Be sure you don’t buy a Camry. Uh, no. It means more of them out there, right? So, um, so that’s what was happening, I think, with with Glock when there would be a an unintentional discharge. Someone had their finger on the trigger, get their shirt tail in the trigger guard as a reholstering finger as a rehol. All those things can happen and do. And the shooter is 98% of the time, right? Uh convinced that it just went off. It went off. There have been people, you know, uh a police officer is holding a suspect under, you know, armed guard, whatever, and you know, there have been some tragedies there and you know, the first thing, well, it just went off. you know kind of well and I think it’s been pretty well uh documented proven that there those Glocks that where that’s happened they didn’t just go off there was a finger on the trigger something in the trigger guard and that sort of thing so they didn’t haven’t really had to face that and I I mentioned Glocks because they’re uh extremely common and and obviously one of the first very very popular striker fired handguns out there with maybe no right uh thumb safety extra safeties that kind of thing although they they’re safe if you if your brain is safe, right? So, uh anyway, this is and then that’s been kind of my take on through the years. Well, I’ve been shooting those Glocks for forever and everything. I’ve seen the demonstrations of slinging them up against the wall, dropping them out of helicopters on the concrete, loaded hot and everything else, not going off. And I they’ve always been pretty confident that they’re not going to just go off um on their own. And uh so I I uh you know kind of close-minded about that I guess you know in a way. And so when it started coming out with the sigs hearing this and that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here we go again. There’s so many of them out there uh that uh you know if if someone does have their finger in the trigger guard and they should in their holster all those kinds of things that can happen. It’s going to be more common uh more likely to happen with a more common gun. a Sig or a Glock, name others now. There’s lots of guns are pretty uh pretty common right now. Uh so I’m slow. I am slow, very well, I’m slowminded anyway, but I’m very slow uh to come around on that because I know how tempting it is for any of us. We make a mistake like that. You say, “Oh, I didn’t touch it. My finger wasn’t on it.” Or, you know, whatever it might be. Um and but you know uh the evidence has mounted right you know first with of course the drop safe thing and uh I’m not here to bash SIG but I apparently they haven’t handled any of it really really well ideally right and uh there’s a lot of history there that others seem to know about that I I’m not aware of and you know uh trying to cut corners maybe on guns and which competitive market. Everybody’s going to try and make the best gun for the least amount of money they possibly can, just like tires or cars or anything else. But, um, so there’s issues there, uh, that maybe make it more difficult to have, uh, a lot of sympathy, you know, maybe for Sig, I don’t know. But um but anyway, there’s been so much smoke and enough fire, I guess, video of fire, you know, it actually happening, uh that it goes beyond that occasional issue that used to come up with a Glock where somebody had their finger on a trigger, you know, couldn’t really be proved and all that kind or disproved. Uh there’s enough evidence now and has been for a while now. Just a lot of people have been scratching her head. You know, kind of like me, the same I think experienced shooters know. Okay, same thing I just went through. Very common gun. Uh people are not perfect. They make a mistake and then they don’t think they made a mistake and all this sort of thing. And so people have been slow. But as it has mounted, more and more of us, we’ve kind of gotten away from that that Glock uh thing feeling uh experience. And yeah, I don’t know here. It’s looking like there might be something to this. And then as events continue to happen um and I’m talking to you on what is it July the 29th 2025 in case some of you don’t know what year it is. And so as of today there have been uh you know some tragedy recently of course an air force uh fellow and just uh just so and and then there have been so many people have dug into this people that have actually have a brain unlike me and they have studied this pretty uh uh in detail and have uh replicated kind of the thing and it’s apparently it’s a bit of a perfect storm. form with parts maybe that are out of spec, a lot of MIM parts that maybe you get the right combination of them, right, that are uh maybe out of spec a little bit and other factors. Uh the slide’s not tight. I don’t know. There’s I haven’t watched everything on that. I I uh my impression from what I’ve watched and read is that it’s uh it’s not an easy fix. you know, it’s not, oh, well, yeah, we got this one little part, the sear or whatever it is, whether it’s MIM or not. All we have to do is send that to you or send your gun in, we’ll replace that, and then it’s 100% safe. It’s apparently not an issue like that. They’re not uh I think apparently sure how to fix it right now. Yeah. So, it’s apparently real. Yeah. So, again, you want to know what my take on it is? Well, I’m kind of going through my thinking on it and my take is my opinions is what I just said and then also, you know, we have of course no stake in any gun company. Never have, never will. Uh despite what some people think that we must get checks and and and you know, we post clips from videos and you might have seen John runs the clips channel and got some videos of the the Sig up there now. They’re six, seven years old or whatever they are, you know. So, uh no, we’re not getting money to to save or to uh help uh with the impression of any gun, anything like that obviously. So uh uh so my take on it is I I I do I do feel sorry for anybody that has befallen such a a horrible thing and of course people have died, you know, and been hurt and injured, you know, I feel sorry for them especially. But it is an incredible we have to admit and even if there’s people you don’t like at SIG and we feel like they’re really really in the wrong on some things. Boy, what a hit. What a hit this is for uh a company, you know, on something like this. I think I heard there were like half a million of them have been sold to the military. Is that right? And of course, how many to civilians and, you know, me included. And uh you know I uh yeah uh so my take on it is uh yeah I I can’t help but have some sympathy. You know I I like to support all the gun companies you know equally uh as much as possible. We don’t take no sponsorship from any of them but um you know they provide the the tools that we all enjoy. uh my take on the actual gun, like what do I think about this firearm right here and this one right here? And of course, I shot all the ammo, you know, I made sure uh I I don’t I don’t obviously 100% trust them. I don’t trust them, nor my compact. I I don’t trust them 100%. And you got to trust a pistol, a firearm 100% that it’s not going to go off when you don’t want it to go off. There’s enough ways we have to be so careful and safety conscious in general, right? It’s like with an automobile. Uh it’s like if your steering mechanism uh is going to go out, but you don’t know when or it might go out. So, I’ve got a GMC Yukon, let’s say in that model year, 2024, there have been 10 of them where the the steering just went out or even five totally just went out and ran somebody. Of course, they went off the road or had were killed in a wreck or whatever it was. Maybe it’s just three and I can’t figure out what it is. Let’s again not I’m making this up. It’s hypothetical. Uh or I wouldn’t be driving that car today. I just got back from 60 mile or Yeah. run. Uh drive. Well, I I don’t want that GMC. I don’t care. You don’t know what the problem is. I I don’t want it. I don’t want to drive it. When’s that going to happen to me? It could. Maybe uh it’s one or two out of a million of them that are out there. Well, what’s in the back of our mind? Yeah. Okay. Probably. All right. Statistically, but no, I I wouldn’t carry any of these things. That’s my take on it. I would not carry them. In fact, I’m not even going to have them out much. Probably I don’t anyway, but uh I brought them out today just for this video. I thought I’d shoot it and uh demonstrate how to be safe. Before you put a round in the chamber, make sure it’s pointing down range, you know, and then you empty it, right? Uh I wouldn’t I would not want to have a holster. I don’t have a holster. I’ve been sticking my pocket here in my belt here. You can’t see maybe, but I when they’re totally empty, you know, uh or if you didn’t have around the chamber for 100% sure. Uh but no, I wouldn’t trust I wouldn’t carry one of these things hot. Uh even though I’ve not had the issues with mine. Uh that that’s kind of my impression on it. You know, it’s like uh they’re just and and and again, it’s really uh a devastating uh to anybody that’s been hurt by them, of course. It’s devastating to the company, you know, it’s it has to be. I wouldn’t buy another one. Who would, you know, and who would buy mine if I decided I wanted to sell it? Uh it and there’s so many choices. One reason it’s so devastating, as we all know, if um and I know I’m rambling, but it’s like beer or socks or tires or I don’t know, you name it. Cameras, uh whatever. If uh shoes, phones, mobile phones, if if if one of them causes a serious problem with just a an incredibly small percentage of them or there’s just anything at all that that might go on with with that product, anything at all that makes it undesirable, you you know, there’s choices. there’s 10 just like it, you know, from the competitors. You just pick it the other one up, right? And so that’s what especially makes this tough for for Sig. Uh because there gosh, you can go to FN, you know, I’ve learned to like a lot of firearms other than Glock lately, in the last 10 years or so. Uh you know, the FN, Ruger, you name it. uh M&P. There’s just a lot of good firearms out there in the polymer, you know, realm, everything. A Glock. I didn’t mention Glock, did I? Uh so you don’t have to choose the P320s. It’s not the only choice. So it’s like, who would buy one now? You know, unless you just didn’t know anything about this. So anyway, that’s where I am. I I wouldn’t carry it. I wouldn’t I probably won’t have it on the range that much. Uh uh and what I’m thinking is uh I’m not going to get mad at them and throw it away or sell it for 50 bucks. That’s probably about what it would bring. I uh I’m just going to hang on to them and make sure they’re clean and lubed and protected. And I feel like uh if not Sig, somebody will figure this out and there will be a fix. probably it might have they may have to be sent back into somebody or maybe the just a new trigger uh backpack or whatever chassis. I don’t know. And eventually it might be months or years, but somebody will figure it out. There’s too big an installed base out there as they say of this product uh not to fix it and not to really fix it is what I’m saying. I’m not interested in a maybe fix. it’ll have to be uh like no doubt about it, it’s fixed, you know, and then I’ll pop that in and uh you know, be good to go. It’s the way that’s just my thinking. Maybe that’s polyhanish, but I think there will be a fix and hopefully one we can we can count on. All right. So, I don’t know. You know, I I’m I guess I’m flattered that so many people want to know what my thoughts are. You see this stuff in the news and about the firearms and you wonder if it’s true, I guess, or whoever it is. And if you’re really into the firearms industry, you know, uh, deeply, you you know, kind of, you know, you don’t need to get my advice on it, but obviously or my take on it, but I’m flattered that you want to know what I think about it. And I think it’s terrible. It’s too bad. And, uh, I I wouldn’t trust one myself with a round in the chamber. And uh if I can’t trust a handgun, semi-automatic handgun with a round in the chamber, um even even if it’s not my carry gun, it just presents another issue. Once I put a round in the chamber, if I say I had it had rounds in right now, let’s say, um, and I was going to turn around here and shoot it, you know, well, I got, you know, I got woods I’m looking out here in tree, you know, I could put one in and, you know, I, you know, I just wouldn’t want to rack one in the slide unless I I just assume just like I showed in the uh um, what was that video called? But anyways, how where to point your gun, your muzzle direction, all that kind of thing. uh you know, pretend you have a laser coming out of that that barrel. Well, this one really has a laser coming out of that barrel. If you have a round in the chamber, doesn’t it? You’d better have it pointed down range. So, anyway, that’s my take. I uh Sorry for them. Sorry for us. Sorry for Yeah. all the guns we bought uh that we don’t trust now. and uh especially the the guy or gal who is has limited resources and they just are a SIG fan and they have a couple or three Sig P320s and that’s pretty much their shooting battery. That’s their favorite firearms. That’s that’s what they have and they can’t really afford to take a big hit financially and they’re still what what if what if they’ve got the three guns I have and that’s all they have. They got the 10 millimeter, the nine, and they’ve got this in the compact. And that’s that’s their pistols, their handguns, you know. Uh, they’re almost unarmed, aren’t they? So, so I hate for those those folks that just don’t have many guns and and a large percentage of those guns might be a P320. So, anyway, what do you all think? You know, I I haven’t really provided you much insight other than I did what you asked. I did what you asked. I gave you my thoughts on it and I can’t think of anything else uh I think about it. I I don’t know the details. I tell you there’s a lot of good videos about it and if you Google around you’ll find them. Search around. I think Ian did did a pretty good one. I watched it u kind of on the history of SIG some different things. I thought that was interesting uh on the forgotten weapons channel and who else? probably some other folks have. Tim probably has on the military arms channel. I haven’t seen just like you all. Stuff doesn’t come up. I’m subscribed. It just doesn’t come up, you know. So, I miss people that I unless I go to their channel. Um, who else? There was another one. Someone I think I didn’t know had a really detailed uh video on it and there’s several showing the guts and what’s going on with the uh the striker block and some of that. I saw one who who it was they were showing a couple of different SIG P320 uh striker blocks I think and uh yeah and and how they’re of course they are MIM parts and uh addressing the quality control issue. One of them was normal, quote unquote, and the other one was kind of jagged, you know, and, you know, they’re they’re both supposed to be the same part, and there was a difference, you know, uh I mean, it’s magnified, I guess, but there was a difference. And so, lack of quality control on on those those parts is a critical issue, of course. And then you get a mixture of those parts and they’re not maybe there’s three or four or five parts as I said earlier out of spec or something and you get this perfect storm where something can happen. The uh I think that’s a general feeling amongst people and and also the uh P320 is one of the few if not the only one striker fired pistol that is fully cocked when it’s striker you know it’s cocked. I think most of the others they are like at half [ __ ] or three quarters and that makes them a little bit safer. The cocking of the striker is not completed until you pull the start pulling on the trigger and that kind of thing. So anyway, what what else uh has been determined? Uh I haven’t seen everything on it and I’m not preparing to write a research paper on it, you know, not not that interested not that interested in that depth. Uh so that’s why I don’t want to get uh out of my lane here, you know, in terms of mechanics. So like I said, I think in Sunday video that, you know, I do have physics degrees in uh you know, from Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Yale, and where else? I forgot. Oh yeah, a vote school somewhere in Tennessee. But uh yeah, I don’t get into all that. So anyway, that’s yeah, it’s really a shame. And uh uh but I I don’t know where we go from here. And uh and again, I’m kind of slow to jump on on things like this, but it looks like this one is real, right? It it’s it’s pretty much real. Uh and again, it’s not like every other Sig is is doing this. Uh but it just doesn’t take much. One out of 300,000 is too many. That’s enough to take it out of my holster, you know. So, there you go. We just have to be safe. So, anyway, uh go get your uh your P320 out of the safe, load it up, condition one, and stick it in your pants. Don’t you have an appendix uh carry holster you can put? I’m sorry that wasn’t funny. Yeah, but that’s me. I try to be funny, but I never am. So, that’s kind of my take. rambling take and uh we’ll talk more about it as as time moves on and we’ll see how it goes. Uh hopefully there’ll be a fix that’s again 100% and everybody has confidence in it. I don’t know how that’s going to happen quickly, but uh unless it’s a total remake of everything inside that frame, but uh I’m sure they’re working on it or will be and and we’ll see. And if you’ve got some of these things, u you know, maybe it won’t be a total loss. Okay, so I’m glad you came around to hear me ramble on this topic. You were expecting to get information, get something useful, get some guidance. You got not much, right? That’s all right. Talk to you later. Life is good.