Met Rudy Duran, Tiger Woods’ First Golf Instructor

Met Rudy Duran, Tiger Woods’ First Golf Instructor

[Music] hey everyone you’re listening to party time my golf story with Walsh and whatever special guest he has today you can check me out on episode 9 of the podcast today I’m wearing Grayson clothes while I’m out practicing cuz I believe in look good play good and follow me on Instagram Sophia Warren Golf and hope you enjoy the rest of the show it’s party time my golf story brought to you by party drinks classically designed golf drinks for golfers by golfers and the golf Real Estate Pros Jean Walsh and Vince vakaro for for your Southwest Florida real estate needs check them out at Suncoast dreams.com now here’s your host Kevin Walsh hey what’s going on Welcome to the program we have a very special guest for you in this program it’s Tiger Woods’s first ever golf instructor Rudy Duran before anybody else before there was Butch Harmon before there was Han Kaney before there was Sean Foley going way way back when tiger was sista toddler there was Rudy Dean and Rudy saw what we later saw and had an idea wow this might be something but did he know tiger was that great that early on it it’s probably best just to hear it in his words Rudy Durant is our guest here on Party Time my golf story brought to you by the golf pro the golf pro real estate experts Gene Walsh and Vince vakaro from sunos dreams.com if your dream is to live in a golf resort Community like liquid National Golf Club where this podcast originates from nobody better to help you out than Gan and Vince at Suncoast dreams.com at division of find properties in the greater Sarasota area and a big thanks to party drinks which is uh the title sponsor of this if you are looking for a drink alternative on the golf course if you’re tired of beer if you’re tired of selters named after the time of the day or cations and they just taste a little crappy for you try a party I think you’ll be very happy with that for golfers by golfers super smooth and sneaky strong Party by the way if you’re in the golf industry or you’re not but party isn’t being sold where you play golf and you want it’s sold there tell the person in charge to contact Paradise craft Distributors Paradise craft is the exclusive distributor of party drinks in Florida all right so I think that’s enough of Preamble let’s bring the man of the hour on board here Rudy Durant Rudy how’s it going it’s so good to talk you well thank you for having me it’s all’s going well so do you want to let the cat out of the bag about the technical snafu uh do you want to embarrass me or should I embarrass myself just it’s past sometimes we make Bogies sometimes we don’t but I I gotta tell it is funny though is it not because we were having trouble Rudy was having trouble seeing me as we were doing the preset up and the problem was I didn’t have my microphone turned on some simple thing you know what it’s like Rudy it’s kind of like when you were chipping balls or putting before round and you forgot to put the putter in your bag and you get to the first screen you got no putter no putter it’s on the it’s on the practice screen I picked up my wedge but I didn’t pick my putter yep exactly uh so I’m so glad to talk to you I want to I want to get into the background I want to get into your background I’m as fascinated by you as I’m fascinated by by Tiger but because everybody knows tiger um what you tell me about your introduction to him way back when so um when I first met him I was working as a golf pro at a 18 hole NightLight at part three in Long Beach called Hartwell Golf Park and um I had a junior program on Saturdays and then uh so on one of the Saturdays um I think actually that Tida brought tiger out to the golf course before a Saturday golf program just to see if I would let let him play there because he was not quite five yet so I said okay they came into the pro shop and I said okay let’s go down the drve range and see how this looks and so the three of us went down there I teed up a few balls and tiger gets his little driver out and he goes hit three really good shots in a row they only went like 50 yards but he was very small like oh my gosh this is awesome you can play here anytime you want and uh in those days it was ult for juniors under 10 and under 10 to get on the golf course so um it really gave him opportunity to start to be able to play golf at a golf course um where he wasn’t really allowed to play before that you could sneak he could sneak on sometimes but anyway so that was the big thing there he was able to come out and play on my junior programs on Saturdays but I I’m I’m always fascinated by people talking about the first time that they’ve seen tiger hit a shot and Paul ainger tells a great story about playing with him in the final round at the memorial you are you familiar with this what he said to his caddy all right so Paul intentionally had never seen tiger hit a hit a ball before well they’re paired in the final round I think this is 1999 before the historic year 2000 so Paul didn’t even want to watch him hit balls on the Range he he just wanted a fresh start he didn’t want to perhaps be intimidated then tiger rips it down the first hole he looks at his Cad and says were and they were but and not but and Paul can tell a story and he and he throws some a little profanity in there just just to to add to it but but I think what I’m getting at is the wow factor the first time you saw it did you have it even way back then yeah it was pretty amazing for someone that young to hit it that well on that first day and then as time went on then my wow factor actually increased because of his ability to score was uh remarkable he was yeah he was he was shooting what I called tiger par when he was five years old so he’s like shooting par golf when he was five what is tiger par I think it’s similar to something that I did when I I just played all part fours this a part five and part 3 is this a part four because I couldn’t hit it long enough but that was when I was like eight or nine yeah and it’s the same thing so 18 hole par three tiger crushed a drive um on 120 yard hole well he can’t get there 120 yard holes he might be able to get about 60 yards 70 yards then he hit some kind of another club up onto the green and two putts well I started calling that’s a tiger par 4 so even though it was only 120 yard par three for Tiger it was a par four so I called it tiger par so then he started playing based on his distance so I gave him his par based on his distance and you think that helped him later on because he got accustomed to shooting lower scores and and wasn’t afraid to do it when it came time to playing real par maybe yeah it certainly didn’t hurt he was successful right at the beginning and he was playing his par and I’ve heard him say when he was quite young that he felt good about it’s so my par it’s my par so when he was interviewed uh um he got interviewed quite a few times when he was um under 10 and so he he was he was very adamant about my part I can I could that made sense to him he a smart young man did he seem to enjoy the game I I think for some they they think that he he was raised by Earl to to be a golfer and and in some ways he was but but could you see the love that he had for the game from the start yep he he loved playing golf and he loved winning and beating the other kids with uh you know I got to see Earl Anda quite often and I I never saw them push push at all and I think I’ve said this before but if tiger came home and said he wants to learn to play tennis I don’t think he get any grief from his parents Rudy Durant is our guest here on Party Time by golf story brought to you by party drinks and the golf Real Estate Pros of Jee Walsh and Vince viaro from Suncoast dreams.com Rudy is uh perhaps best known for being the first instructor of the Great Tiger Woods but Rudy I’m fascinated about your story we all have a story how it started where it started what’s yours so I um first got started at golf with my uh my mother and my father were um divorced and and my dad would come out on weekends and he would take me and my younger brother to the driving range I was probably eight 78 n somewhere 7 eight n somewhere in there and started hitting balls in a driving range and my dad was an avid golfer and a pretty good golfer he could break 80 some of the time um but so that was quite good and um so I started playing golf with him when I could and then once I could drive I started playing golf on my own did you love it right away or was more time with Dad considering what was going on it was nice to go see my dad you know that was good to go and then I uh once I started driving and was able to go to the golf course and then I got a job at the driving at a at a driving range picking up balls on the Range I started to be very interested in golf myself and where was this exactly in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles and then I worked at a place called Studio City I believe was a nightlight um um driving range and in those days I could drive from the San frano Valley down to Studio City and uh there really wasn’t much traffic so I could literally work after school and then get back home but not the not that big of a deal today it probably take two hours to get there and two hours to get back oh tell me about LA traffic is is is just atrocious just how how busy it is but fortunately for you back then you felt like you were getting somewhere in a decent amount of time yeah I thought so did you get good at golf pretty quickly like how did your your game Blossom uh I got pretty good um I think that uh my education from golf because um I didn’t do a lot but I did you know start practicing and playing with a little bit but I really didn’t start playing much until I was I’d went in the Air Force and then um there was a base golf team that I could I got went out for and then I started playing more competitive uh golf when I was in the Air Force for one reason is I didn’t have I got out of Duty I got to go play golf and then I got to be pretty good pretty quick and uh and this that’s that was really where it started well I’ve heard similar stories from other people that were in the military if you were good you were given opportunities to work on your game is is that kind of the story you’re telling me well yeah I I was able to you know I still had to go do my normal job but I still got time off if I was on the ba like I was on the base golf team and there was a tournament in Florida and we were in you know some other state then I was able to get off my duty and go down to Florida and play in the Air Force golf tournament how competitive was was the military golf thing because uh one one of my dear friends growing up he’s been a past guest Bill Heyman comes from golf royalty in the Philadelphia area his father was the arm Services champion at least once and and maybe twice I might be wrong about twice but if you could win that you were a stick is that right yeah pretty much it it was probably not it was good there was some good players absolutely there was some good players I was not the best player at that time and um yeah the players were good especially when you went to the tournaments the you know you could see the guys that were really quite good when did you turn pro Rudy uh it was about 19 71 71 man so you you’ve been a pro for 50 plus years and how old are you now 76 why why’ you do it well I worked at the driving range when I was in high school and then went in the Air Force and started playing some golf got out of the air Air Force and um the guy that I worked for in high school asked me to work for him and again work for him again and so I I started going down there and and working for him again next thing you know I’m working and then he said there’s an opportunity for me to work as a golf pro at a 18 hole Par 3 in Long on Long Beach called Heartwell Golf Park I go down there and apply and I get the job so next thing I know I’m a Bonafide Apprentice golfer at heartwall Golf Park Long Beach 18 18 whole par three cool so let me just unpack that so like golf was in your life it was something you did with your dad it was a job you loved it it continued in the military with the Air Force then when you’re done with the Air Force you you kind of went back to to what you knew and it was a perfect fit and ultimately that led to Tiger is that do I have it in the correct order yeah kind of then I had the job in Long Beach and then um I started a junior program because I thought it was a good idea um and so I started a junior program and then somewhere along the line I don’t know how long it was after I started my junior Saturday Junior program the tiger showed up and uh next thing you know Tiger’s there and he starts hit he starts playing golf he’s hitting his t- shots and his neck shot on the green and he’s playing with these kids that are twice his height even though they’re maybe 13 14 years old um yeah it was obviously he was super good and everyone was having a good time and yeah it was a good time what was what was the kids reaction to Tiger were they Blown Away by just how good he was how polished he was yeah they were and uh uh there was a TV show it might have been that’s incredible and they came down and they interviewed some of the kids and they go yeah he’s out there and he just hits it knocks it on the green and two putts and he doesn’t miss very many shots you know I can’t remember exactly what they said but something like that they were definitely impressed and he was one of the guys but um but he was one of the guys they were all just and there were some young ladies too and um they were probably part of the junior golf program on Saturdays so they all had a good time when you see when I see tiger on TV I just stop and I have to watch because something great could happen and how many times did it happened before what’s your experience like watching tiger on TV uh yeah it’s not surprising but he does hit some amazing shots so um yeah and he’s well I think I I believe that he’s probably became the best player there for his time period um mostly because he putts great and so it was it’s amazing to see him Putt and there was a handful of times I got to walk with him between the ropes and prce rounds and see him when he was an adult playing on the tour and his putting and bunkers and pitching and chipping are so good and they were when he was six so would you have when you’re following him and you’re seeing his greatness chasing history and everything would you hearken back and just flash back it’s like God I still remember this little kid wearing the number 81 shirt which folks look it up online there’s Rudy with a full mustache of full head of hair and there’s a little TI you know it’s Tiger but but do you do you reminisce when when you see what’s become of his life yeah it’s nice nice to see that um you know he’s been a great player for a long time so it’s not news now but um yeah it was uh it it was it was a good time in our lives and got to see him develop and next thing you know he’s one of the best players in the world it was it was always fun to watch well tiger spawned a lot of future golfers I mean everybody on tour under the age of for I mean just take Justin Thomas Jordan spe John ROM everybody who wants it’s all it’s all tiger tiger tiger yep sometimes the trickle down effect from that is it it comes into the junior golf ranks and then you have pushy parents sometimes what do you see like when you have a junior golfer who seems to have some talent and potential and pushy parents is how do you handle that delicacy yeah that’s not an easy one because they are the parents so I just provide an environment where the kids can have fun and it’s been my experience you know it’s been a long time I’ve had Junior programs for a long time and for the most part when the kids are having fun it’s my experience that they don’t they’re not pushy when I’m when they’re at the golf course so when they’re away from the golf course I don’t know what’s going on but usually because we have a bunch of kids and the kids are all in groups of two or three or four and they’re doing putting pitching chipping full swing uh usually parents stay back so te tell me this when um when you teach adults you often say play like a kid what do you mean by that yeah just you you hit the hit the ball the best you can and when youve when you’ve hit it you go do another one um kids generally don’t have this post shot negative um actions it’s like they basically delete bad and remember the good until we tell them that they are bad um they they usually don’t do it on their own so I I don’t put anything in there they they go out there and they learn um I I think you know kind of like when they’re learning to walk or run or something they fall you dust them off maybe they cry for a little bit and then they’re out running again and so that’s how they that’s how they played the golf the kids that I know from like five to 15 16 17 they’re almost always having fun so I call it the fun Factor so they come to our Junior program for the most part they’re gonna have fun so you’ve been teaching for 50 plus years I mean you you still get a ton of joy out of it is are you having fun when when you’re dealing with the Juniors do they keep you young Yeah well yeah I don’t know if they keep me young but it’s fun yes so that that part’s good it is fun I do I do still go um I don’t have to go but I I like I like going and um I’ll probably be slowing down here a little bit uh in the next few years but um yeah just going out there and having the kids and adults I like coaching adults too and I like coaching kids and we have our special adult free lesson days and our kids free lesson days and then the kids come on their own and we provide really inexpensive green fees so we’re just trying to get people play golf and learn to have fun playing golf Bry back to when you were an apprentice and everything things were different like you made clubs you you UND you fix clubs and and everything I don’t know that we see that as much before but what was that learning experience like for you and how did it help you later on well like I said my first job in high school was working at that uh from from my nice golf Bros named Al Wagner he’s no longer with us but um his son was there and I still talk to his son and he had a driving range and he was also making golf clubs and so I started making golf clubs when I wasn’t picking balls up on the on the landing area I I start started to learn to make golf clubs and that be that was very much part of what golf Ros did in that in that time period so you know how to whip a driver like nobody’s business you can change a grip you can look at Loft and every you can bend clubs and everything you’re you’re a golf smith I mean it’s is that what it is yeah you can come there and I could take a look and I could take your look at your five iron look at him well you must have hadit a tree or something here and I can put it inside the vice and I could Kink it back to where it should I can line up all your clubs yeah we did all that then I I don’t think we really do it today um certainly in the golf courses where I still coach there’s no there’s really very very minimal um equipment adjustment usually it’s just maybe changing right now you chased it for a while what tell me about your competitive golf experience well I thought i’ um try playing a tournament golf uh there in the um early uh 60s uh you could even quite a bit later than that as a PJ member you could get your PJ tour card um by becoming a PJ member get allowed you to play on Monday qualifiers and uh so I thought I would try tournament golf and so I hopped in my car with friend and we I drove with him and then sometimes not we we were both someone shared cars sometimes we didn’t and drove um tried to chase some of those Monday qualifiers to get into a PJ Tour event and uh which I never did missed by one twice and also played the Canadian tour from uh Prince Edward Island all the way out to Vancouver and uh so I played about year and a half tournament golf and that was a lot of fun it was a great experience I learned a lot and uh I just didn’t shoot low enough to uh win a PJ tour card or make a living well what was more fun was it was it chasing the dream was it the competition or was it piling in a car with four or five of your buddies and and same guys in one hotel room yeah all all the above you know trying to make ends me and get from point A to point B and you know learn about your equipment and then see some of the really good players out there like a mo Norman and try to copy him and watch him and watch the really good players and try to learn from them and it was still it was still a fun experience even though I didn’t win any money but I still made some Cuts got to the final round a few times mostly not but I still did and uh then I got quite un awareness I learned a lot and I go okay this is where I am this is my game and then I was able to go back to the Heartwell golf park and uh and start coaching there again perfect yeah so you you scratched that itch but you had a you had a soft landing and you probably ended up exactly where you were supposed to be um in in the big picture of Life how’s your golf now Rudy how much are you playing um I’m playing depends on the time of the year but um when uh I’m in California we’re in California about six months in Arizona about six months so in California I’m playing about six holes four days a week I’m not really playing in very many tournaments sometimes I’ll play with the seniors group on a Wednesday but um I can shoot right now from the normal white teas um I can shoot high 70s low 80s most of the time now you shot your age before I take it yes how many times one time I shot 69 when I was 69 oh tell me about that so I was out at the heartwall golf park where I um was the where I was the owner operator for for quite a few years and this time I was just coaching there and um and they went out to play and play group a little group and we went out and played and I played next thing you know I’m going to the 18th hole and um I was uh old I 69 so I was uh I can’t remember 6 seven anyway 69 was the score I needed on the 18th hole to beat my age and um so on the last hole I I got on the green um with on my third shot and I had about a three and a half footer downhill to um to shoot my shoot under my a shoot shoot my age shoot my age I would been I’m 69 and shot 69 so I so I made the Putt and shot and had 69 but um I’ve gotten close before after that but never actually shot my age or under my age and tell me about the pressure of that putt though or you you know what it’s for and how you feeling did and was like and I and and I told myself I looked down there and I got my club I took some practice Wings they backed off I looked again and I said well you know if you’re going to if you’re going to choke this thing well sit like a man then just run it in the middle and I said okay talking to myself of course run it in the middle and and I did about about 3 feet down hill it would have rolled off the front of the graen probably hit it hard as I did but it went right in the middle and yes sh my age oh that is that is so cool were you with friends did everybody else know what what it was for what was going on no they didn’t care oh they did too afterwards they kind they kind they knew yeah yeah they knew a little bit they they were they were yeah they shook my hand and stuff good job oh that’s that’s fantastic now you wrote a book in every kid lurks a tiger what’s the premise of that book and how’s it doing the um premise is that kids just want to have fun that’s what tiger did he was just out having fun playing golf and best I can remember for the years I was around he was never trying to be a touring Pro or a superstar he just loved playing gol golf so um it does remind me that uh changing his equipment when he was young those ages like you talked about that we weren’t change there was not much junior golf uh equipment out there so he he had a couple different sets that I I made for him or had them made but yeah so yeah just fun golf is fun tell me about tinkering with his equipment because the the stories of him like drivers and everything everything like different Scotty Camerons were made for him and and The Sweet Spot he said it it’s off just a little bit they put on the it was off by like one 1,000th of an inch which is to the naked eye is almost impossible to see and then he he had three duplicate drivers made and tiger said nah one’s that the weight’s not right and they weighed it and like the difference in weight was like the weight of a of a dollar bill like who can feel that other than tiger was he f back then with what you did with his clubs uh not that not that much but he he wanted new clubs when he knew his other clubs were not long enough so and you know you’re let’s say so let’s say he’s um six well by the time he’s seven or eight he’s going to need another set and then he might need another set by the time he’s nine or 11 or you know they’re growing and so um I was able to get him uh additional sets and he was always happy when he got his new sets remember he was getting interviewed once and he said well I told him I said I knew I had clubs for you back at the golf course he said let’s go get my clubs what my clubs and he was forgetting everything else but he knew he needed he knew he needed and he knew he wanted a new set which he which he had Rudy Duran is our guest here on Party Time my golf story brought to you by party drinks if you’re looking for a drink alternative on the golf course try a party and the golf Real Estate Pros Jean waling Vince visit Carl from Suncoast dreams.com a division of properties in the greater Sarasota area um tell me this and I think I have some inside information so I’m just going to test my buddy what he thinks he knows mutual friend of ours uh said that you worked with tiger on his grip at a young age and he was very resistant for a long time but he eventually caved in why don’t you tell it well when I first saw him he had his uh hands on the club let see if I can see with um the palms of his hands facing away they they weren’t the typical overlap and um but when he goes down to the driving range where he goes and chips and putts he hits it well so I learned from Tiger if it’s not broken I don’t need to fix it and so he had a good time with his clubs the way they were and as he grew and uh he felt and had a sensory awareness that if he moved his hand hands he would be able to hit the ball farther or better or feel better um and so it was really his his moves his adjustment in his technique that he did to hit the ball further and yep he had a funny had a funny grip and it worked yep he’s he made everything work in the end but but when I when I see his swing it just looks so classic when his his putting stroke just seems so classic oh he was really good at putting I mean I think everyone would say he he is amazing at putting how many times have we seen him on TV hold these impossible putts or pitches or chips and um but we’ve also SE him on the on the golf course hitting into trees and so his pitching chipping and putting is so strong that you know I think it takes a little pressure off of his full swing so he has a chance to go for it and can really he can really go low so I think that I think that helps you is so good at pitching shipping and putting or it is well that’s the whole game and that’s why it most touring Pro spend 70% of their time on their short game because that’s where the math and the money are I mean and and but tiger had it all so that’s why he was so dominant for for so long Rudy we’re we’re getting toward the end here I’ve I’ve enjoyed our conversation I want to ask you just just one more question if you had one tip uh maybe you’ve used it before that that works for anybody good player average player whatever your silver bullet what would it be well it’s one of the things that I think I learned from the woods family is that um have fun tiger loved to come out and have fun and uh I called it the fun Factor so I tried to pass that on to all my juniors and my adults today and for all those past 50 years and with myself just try to have a good time enjoy it golf is a wonderful sport just play game and enjoy it yeah I think that takes some of the pressure off you mentally so you stop thinking about mechanics you get back to being free and uh I’m gonna take your advice because my golf game has been in the toilet for um about six months and and I’m trying to and it hasn’t been fun because I’m hitting it so poorly but I think if I just say you know the hell with it let’s get back to having fun you get back to being athletic and smooth um you think that might work is is that your advice for me I need my advice and this is what I believe I Le learned is um remember the good and delete the bads when you get home and you’re talking to your family whoever it may or may not be uh at that time talk about the things you did well and try to remember things you did well that produce the good shots and if you can remember what you did well or what it feels like that’s really going to help you improve be the expert on what you do well not on what you do wrong and I think you know in the golf industry a lot of people talk about oh I did this wrong oh I did that wrong if you can stop that and remember what you did well and you’ll keep doing it more often and you will shoot lower I feel most so much better for that I I felt like I just had a counseling session there Rudy uh really appreciate the time I appreciate all you’ve done for golf I mean ultimately you’ve made massive contributions to to a lot of people we haven’t heard of um but to the one that we’ve all heard of if not for you um I mean you played a role in in tiger and I thank you for that and I I thank you for just if if you play golf you’re my friend that’s the way I roll and we’re friends yeah was I was I was very lucky to have him um guide me that in those early years he guided you and you guided him Rudy hey I wish you all the best uh big thanks uh as we wrap things up to party drinks and also to the golf Real Estate Pros Vince ficar and Jee wsh Sun Coast streams.com uh division of find properties in the greater Sarasota area for Durant I’m Kevin Walsh we’ll see you again next time I’m party time my golf story thank you Kevin you’ve been listening to it’s party time my golf story brought to you by part drinks classically designed golf drinks for golfers by golfers and the golf Real Estate Pros Jean Walsh and Vince visicaro for your Southwest Florida real estate needs check him out at sunos streams.com or call 94122 4000 [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] 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There’s absolutely no way he could have known but Rudy Duran held the future of an entire sport in his hands throughout the early eighties.

Now based at Chalk Mountain Golf Course in Atascadero – roughly halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco – Duran was working at Heartwell Golf Course in Long Beach in 1980 when the door to his pro shop opened and in walked Tida Woods with her four-year-old son Tiger.

Eighteen months earlier, little Tiger had earned national exposure with an appearance on The Mike Douglas Show. He had wowed fellow guests Bob Hope and Jimmy Stewart with his seemingly supernatural talent for golf. Are you kidding me? He’s only two? Etcetera.

Soon after, Tida and her husband Earl decided they wanted their little boy to start taking lessons. Earl had shown Tiger the basics using a makeshift net he’d set up in their garage. However, Tiger needed better guidance, professional guidance.

The couple settled on Duran after learning of the hugely successful junior golf program he was running out of Heartwell. He had more than 100 kids signed up, each of whom enjoyed free, unlimited access to the par-3 course.

It may or may not have helped that, like Earl, he also had a military background. It was during his time in the Air Force, in fact, that Duran learned to play golf.

Even so, at four-years-old and barely able to see over the counter, Tiger was a lot younger and smaller than most of the kids he taught. Eight, nine, ten? Sure. But four was almost unheard of.

Still, Duran’s interest was piqued. What the hell? he figured. Let’s see what the kid’s made of.

What happened next changed the game forever.

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