Harris English Interview: Career Challenges, Major Highlights, and Ryder Cup Memories

Join Smylie Kaufman as he welcomes Harris English to the show! Harris shares insights from his incredible season, including a win and two runner-up major championship finishes. Dive into Harris’s inspiring, challenging, rollercoaster journey from his junior golf days in Georgia to his rise in the PGA Tour, and hear about the trials and triumphs that have shaped his career. Whether you’re a golf enthusiast or just love a good comeback story, this episode is packed with inspiration and behind-the-scenes stories from the no. 8 ranked golfer in the world!

CHAPTERS:

Intro – 0:00
Harris’s Early Days in Georgia – 2:15
Junior Golf Experiences – 5:30
College Golf and Transition to Professional – 10:45
Challenges on the PGA Tour – 18:00
Major Achievements and Wins – 25:20
Ryder Cup Experience – 32:10
Overcoming Injuries and Setbacks – 40:00
Current Season Highlights – 47:30
Closing Thoughts and Future Goals – 55:00

[Music] radio. That’s Smiley Coffman for 61. Wow. I’m Smiley Coffman and this is the Smiley Show. All right, guys. Welcome back. We got an incredible guest today, Harris English, uh from Sea Island, Georgia. Harris, buddy, thank you for coming on. And I really always want to start uh for interviews we haven’t done with PJ Tour players uh back at the beginning as much as we can because Harris, you grew up in a small town in South Georgia. Uh played a lot on the SJGT and I just want to kind of talk about your just junior background uh as much as you can recall. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up uh I was kind of I was born in Vasta, lived there for a little bit, lived in Quipman, Georgia for until I was like 5 years old and then moved to Moltry, which I’m not sure anybody knows. I do know I do know where Moltry is. Um good little country club there. Sunset Country Club host the Pot of Gold Prom, which is is bigger on the Southeast. Um just a fun tournament. I used to play in it with with a head pro down in Thomasville. Hudson Swaffford used to play on on our team as well and just as good as like a a pro scratch tournament. Lot of beer drinking going on. Obviously I was too young to Okay. back in high school. Um it was fun. Um just a good a good country club to grow up at. They’re really good to the juniors. Um, it’s one of those courses like real small pushed up greens that I I couldn’t tell you the square footage of these greens, but they were tiny. So, you’re you’re good at 52° to Yeah, you had to 52° to 8 iron had to be dead on the money. If not, you were missing the greens and it was rolling off and you knew had to flop it or bump it into the hill to get it up on the on the green. But, it was a it was a great country club to grow up at. um had a lot of a good group of kids that I grew up with that all love golf that I played basketball with, that I played football with, that I played soccer with. And in the summers, our parents would just drop us off at the club at 8:00 in the morning. We’d practice and play, go to the pool for a little bit, eat some chicken fingers, and then go back out and play again. And she’d pick me up at 5:00 p.m. And that’s kind we all did. That’s kind of what what you did in the summers. And um it it was an awesome place to grow up. and and as you alluded to, playing the SGT tour was was awesome. Um Todd Thompson, who now runs the RSM, did a great job with that tour. I mean, we all I mean, that’s how I met you. Obviously, you’re a good bit younger than me, but um just a great tour to play on. We had a lot of good kids that are now on the PJ tour, have had PJ tour success, and um being able to to travel those two to three hours to go playing these really good golf tournaments was was was awesome. And every summer we had that that big tournament over in Dothan, Alabama. The Future Masters was kind of my major every summer. Um and and that’s kind of where you met met kids from all over the country and and kids coming in from Mexico. Um, so yeah, we it was a good place to grow up and and a lot of really good junior golf um around those parts. Yeah, there definitely wasn’t a junior tour event or junior golf event where I didn’t pack a bathing suit. I was always making sure that I packed a bathing suit. Whether we were swimming at the the country club that week, whether it was uh at the Future Masters or if it was uh Greenville, Mississippi, where I met Justin Thomas. I’m not sure if you ever played that event in Greenville, but there’s so many events where, you know, our our our childhood was was met with, you know, so many great relationships, fun golf courses. Uh, but to your point talking about traveling just two to three hours away going to a golf tournament. You know, I think a I get I get asked this question a lot from parents on if they have a junior that’s good enough to maybe play college golf or has aspirations of playing at the next level. They’re like, “What do we need to be playing in?” And you know, I think a lot of people feel like to get noticed they have to play uh AJAS or the national events just to kind of get noticed. For you, do you feel like uh would you recommend that a good junior golfer has to play national stuff or do you feel like playing their local stuff is is good enough if you uh can compete at the highest level there? Yeah. I mean, I I love playing the local stuff and and how I would say this is like if if just beat people at a different level. And and I I feel like growing up we we had such a good level locally with Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, North Florida, South Carolina. There was there’s so many good players playing in those SJT events. I I think I played maybe five or six AJAs in my career. Um Is that it? Just five or six? Yeah. Um because I so I went to high school in Chattanooga um at Baylor School. We had a really good team up there, but really good academic school and and a really good golf program. But it was hard for me to miss school. It was hard for me to I think we got three unexcused absences a semester and playing in a AJ event, playing in a SJT event didn’t wasn’t excused. So, I I had to pick and choose carefully of of when I was going to miss school. And the SJT events, you you drive Friday after school and and get to somewhere and play Saturday, Sunday, and then come back. Some of those AJs were more three-day events. Have to leave on Thursday. Um, so I remember I played the one in the in Rome. I think I finished third in that AJ in Rome, Georgia. That’s not too far away. You can make that. Played played in the one in Hilton Head. I remember I think that was my the biggest tournament was the Rolex. I somehow qualified for the Rolex. I think I shot 86 the first round. And my mom is like the biggest positive like she she’s like the most positive person and and supporter of me and she would always mostly drive me this golf tournament. I remember it was like hole number 13 or 14. She came up to me and she was like, “I don’t think you should hit driver anymore.” Cuz I kept I kept spraying. I know, Mom. Yeah. Like, okay, mom. Like, thank you. I’m 14 over par. Like, I’m gonna I need to make some birdies. I I think I can one up you there, I think, because I played in the Rolex event at Victoria National, which I’m sure you’ve been around that golf course, and we were playing uh Yeah, it’s it’s kind of a golf course that lets you know how good you are at a young age. And I realized I wasn’t that good, apparently, because I shot I think 83, 82, uh missed the cut at the Rolex. It was a 4-day two-day cut and and it was funny. So, I my first win professionally was at Victoria National at the United Leasing and at one point on the back n I had an eight shot lead. So, for all those kids that that get wore out at golf courses thinking you can’t uh compete at the highest level. Keep working at it cuz you could have a a story like mine from the Rolex to to winning on the cornfairy tour. And you’ve won Have you won Hilton Head? No, I haven’t wanted Hilton Head. Oh, you’ve been you’ve been close though, right? Yeah, that course was the the Rolex was at Long Cove, which I haven’t. I’m not I’m not uh looking to go that to play that place anytime soon, but uh yeah, I mean, junior golf, you think it’s such a big deal at the time and like you get so bent out of shape when you don’t play well and it’s like just use it as a learning experience. Like I mean I I know you went through the same thing is like probably from my 8th to 9th grade year and 9th to 10th grade here like I I grew like five or six inches and and your your swing gets out of whack. You’re I mean it’s just hard to still compete in golf tournaments and you’re growing that much and I got so flat I was just as soon as I started growing the club just went like this behind me. It it it just makes it really tough. And then then I finally regained it like my sophomore or junior year in high school, but yeah, you go through so much and you think it’s such a big deal at the time, but it’s all about getting better and and learning how to play the game and going through some of those rough patches of like digging yourself out and and getting through it. How how did you end up at the Baylor Academy in Chattanooga? you just talked about, of course, you’re from Georgia and you know, Chattanooga, it’s not exactly uh too close to South Georgia. Who was the first person that got in you guys’ ear uh Baylor Academy? And at first, were you hesitant about going up there? Who was the one that kind of convinced you to to make that jump? Yeah, that that’s a good question. Um, yeah, like like I said, in Moltry, I grew up with so many good kids and and a a great country club there. and one of the the head pros in Thomasville, Georgia, which is about 25 minutes away, a really good course called Glenn Arvin. Um his name was Rob Riddle, and I I got a lot of lessons from him growing up. Um and he had he had recently moved up to Chattanooga and was at a course called Black Creek. Okay. Um which is a really good course up there. Um, and he started talking to my dad about this really good kid named Luke List who was maybe a junior or senior at Baylor at the time. And he was like, my dad’s name is Ben, but he’s like, “Ben, you you got to come check this out. This kid is really good. He’s going to Vandy. He’s one of the top kids in the country. And this school that he goes to is incredible. The the head coach, King Imig, is all about golf. They they practice at a really good golf course named Black Creek. And it was just a different level of prep, prep and and golf and and the academic side of it was big for my mom. Um, so yeah, I I was not even thinking in that realm and and I guess my my dad, my parents were kind of looking ahead of like, okay, if he really wants to go take to take this to the next level, go play big time division one golf, like always wanted to go to University of Georgia, like how are we going to get this like Mhm. Looking back, it’s like they wanted me to be get around the best competition that that I could be in and and turned out that way. I mean, looking back, I think on on my starting five my freshman year, I think we had four guys go play division one golf out of the starting five. And who was it? Um Seth Brandon went to Indiana. Um Don Franklin went to Sanford. And then and then guys behind me like Steven Joerger came in my senior year from Germany. Keith Mitchell lived in Chattanooga. He was a a freshman when I was a senior. Oh gosh. What was your Hold on. What was your first memories of of Keith and Joerger when they came in? So I knew Keith when he was like in sixth sixth grade, seventh grade. I mean, he’s he was the exact same person. Um just on the on the range talking to everybody, having fun. Um he was always he always had a lot of talent. Like we we knew how good Keith was. he just probably didn’t dedicate himself to golf that like he should have back then and obviously he’s figured that out. Um so I’ve known Keith for a long time and then Joerger coming in my senior year. I mean this was his I think one of his first times to the United States. Um his parents found found the school online. I guess he saw like how good this golf team was. And I remember him coming in, our coach picked him up at the airport, took him like Hardies, got him like a bacon, egg, and cheese biscuit. Never had that before. Welcome to the States. I’m sure his stomach was in shambles. Um he went out to the honors course, never played it in his life, and shot 68. And I was like, “Oh my god, this this guy’s the real deal.” cuz our coach, we would get kids coming in from kind of all over and he would always pump them up. Like we had this kid from Mexico come in and he was pumping him up and I think he went to qualifying and shot like 95. We’re like, “All right, coach, like this this kid’s not it.” But Joerger Joerger was different and he was really good and and he ended up staying at Baylor for two years. Then he graduated and went to University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. Stay in Chattanooga, still lives there. Um, so I uh I think he liked his his experience. All right. So, you said you always wanted to go to Georgia. You end up going there and committing and you get on campus and of course like we know how many great players have come out of the University of Georgia. When you show up as a freshman, what did that team look like as far as as actually qualifying inside the top five and making that team? I know Chris Hack, the way he does things there is a little different. You know, you if you want to be great, you got to go out and put the work in. It’s not some structured system that that Hacker has at Georgia. You got to go and and earn your keep. And it seemed like this is what he told me on my recruiting trip. Now you tell me if this is wrong, Harris. He said that every week there was a qualifier for the tournament. Nobody ever got exempt. Is that actually true? Yeah. The the only way you could get exempt is you you top 10 the week before. So he structured it like the PGA Tour. So if you if you finished top 10, it didn’t matter if you were first team all-American the year before. It didn’t matter if you won five times. Didn’t matter. Nothing mattered. If you didn’t top 10 the week before in the college event, you weren’t exempt. So, it it was the most fair system that you could possibly have. And rolling in there as a freshman, it was uh myself, Russell Henley, and and Lowry Thomas from Auburn, Alabama. Lowry. Then you had Hudson. Hudson Swaford was a sophomore. Rob Bennett was a sophomore. Michael Green was a junior. Brian Harmon was a junior. Adam Mitchell was a junior. So that was our team. I think we had eight guys and it’s a it’s pretty stout. All-Americans the previous year and um it was kind of like all right, we’re going to go up to the farm up in Dalton. We had like a three-day qualifier. We we played around Athens a good bit and I mean I like that structure. I mean, he didn’t I think we had maybe one structured practice a week and and he would he would set up the gauntlet. I remember the gauntlet. A short game. I remember it. I did it on my recruiting trip. You did? Yeah. It’s awesome. Um, so it’s a nine-hole chipping and putting game where he kind of spray paint some certain holes and give you couple bunker shots, couple flop shots, couple bumping runs, and I think you had to shoot two over in nine holes to complete the drill. If you didn’t, you had to go over to the putting green and do you had to make 40 4-footers in a row to then have the chance to go back and go through the gauntlet again. And sometimes it would take guys all afternoon, sometimes into the night to complete it. Sometimes you could go through once or twice and complete it. But that was really the only structure we had. I mean, he was massive on short game. Um, yeah, obviously Hacker had been around a lot of really good players, including guys like Ruji Amada, who had one of the best short games and and he would always tell us like, “Y’all need to spend most of your time, 80% of your time chipping and putting and figuring out to play and and he would encourage us to go play golf a lot.” I mean, that was the biggest thing of going to Georgia is we had the university course in our backyard and could go play a lot and and we had a lot of qualifying and that’s kind of where you learn to get better instead of just getting up on the range and and beating balls all day. Sure. And it prepares you for for life after college. You know, if you’re one who feels entitled to being wanting to be in the lineup week in week out, feeling like you earned a spot, I can tell you most of the time those players don’t pan out quite as good at the next level or it takes them a little while to kind of mature to realize, okay, to make it out on on the PGA Tour. It takes a lot of uh mental toughness and every week you got to bring your lunch pail. There’s there’s no gimmies uh out there on the PGA Tour. And so, Georgia golf, uh, before we go to this next subject, I got to get your opinion here. And you can keep your yourself in this list or not, depending on how you feel, but I want you to give me the Georgia golf Mount Rushmore top four uh for you. So, if you’re creating this Mount Rushmore for you, Georgia golf, who makes who makes the uh the Stonewall? I mean, you got to put Bubba Watson up there. What has he won? Two Masters. Yeah. And this it can be a career at Georgia. It can be their overall career. It it uh it can be a multitude of things. Question. Some guys had great college careers that I would probably lean, you know, a mix of of all, you know, guys had really good college careers and maybe didn’t have great pro careers, but they still were unbeatable in college. That’s a good point. Um man, Russell Henley won a ton in college. I mean, he was probably one of the most winningest players at Georgia. I think he won nine or 10 times at Georgia. Um, so I would put him up there and obviously he’s had a hell of a career as well. Um, got to throw Harmon in there. I I he would probably say this that he didn’t have the college career that he wanted. Um, he was all-American at least three times. I mean, played really well, but probably not up to Brian Harmon standards. but throwing in that open championship um would would have to put him up there. Um man, we we have so many good players and and I feel like I mean a lot of us don’t have majors yet, but I mean you got Chris Kirk, you got Brendan Todd, um Big Hud. Any of those guys stand out for their college careers? Like were they just unbeatable? I would say Kirk like Kirk was there before I was. He had just him and Bod had just graduated when I was coming in. Mhm. But I I think Kirk I think he might have won the Ben Hogan award. Um he he had a really really good college career. Um and and then you got guys that that came before me like the Nick Cassini, the Eric Thompson, um Riamada, Big Ned, Michael Morrison. So, we could be here all day is what you’re saying to try to figure out how to how to condense this to there’s so many guys. I mean, I would say the major championships would would have to stand out. Um, and even a kid I was there with, Brian McFersonson, I don’t know if you remember him, he won the British from Australia. He he won the British when when we were there. So, we’ve had a lot of success at Georgia and um even kids coming out now like um you got Davis Thompson, Grayson Sig, Se has has really killed it in the in the pro ranks. I I wouldn’t say he didn’t have the best college career, but he’s really found something these last few years and and he’s turned himself into one of the best players in the world. Well, we we’re going to have to have people comment this. If you’re familiar with the Georgia golf program, make sure you comment your Mount Rushmore because Harris might be doing this the rest of the day to try to figure out who’s makes it top four. And just so you know, you make my top four. So, we’re going to include that as a as a fourtime all-American at Georgia, which probably has not happened very often. Uh would be my guess. I’m going to throw you on that list. So, I appreciate that. Well, you know what’s cool, too, is that uh a lot of players had success right out of college uh from your class. So, we talk about yourself, talk about Hudson Swaffford, Russell Henley, you know, you y’all you won the the Nationwide Children’s Hospital event as an amateur. Hudson won the Georgia event on the Cornferry right after he uh graduated from college. And then you have Russell Henley that as soon as he got to the to the Cornferry tour, he won twice in his rookie year. And I I remember this vividly because it was right around the time one of my teammates, John Peterson, had said, “I think the best college players can compete with the best players on the PJ tour.” And he was chastised for it. But you guys come out and win immediately and then get to the PJ tour and win quickly. Uh do you remember that time and and just the kind of how that was being talked about as as the hot shot amters coming up and winning uh quickly uh the professional ranks? I do. I do. I think Peterson got a lot of flack for that. Um, for real no reason. Like I don’t understand why people just chose to like he he was kind of the bad boy of golf or He wasn’t wrong either. He wasn’t wrong. He wasn’t wrong. Um there was just kind of a new era of and and you look at guys that came after me of of speed what he did right when he turned pro and Justin and Bud Collie got his card um through those seven starts. I think he got seven starts on tour and got his card and Ricky Fowler was mine grade but he left I think his after his sophomore year at Oklahoma State. Um, so you had guys doing that pretty much every year of of coming out and and making making their way on the PJ tour. And Peterson wasn’t wrong. And and I think if somebody said that now, they’d be like, “Yeah, we get it.” Like you got Levig, you got um yeah, all these guys coming up and and now these guys are coming right out on the PJ tour and you see how good they are. Um, but what helped, like I was I was totally fine with with kind of taking each step as it comes. Like I was I was fine with coming out of college trying to make it on the corner free tour. Like we we didn’t have these the PJ tour. We we didn’t have like you had all Americans going to Q school and missing first or second stage. like it wasn’t easy to get out even on the cornfield tour than going to the Q school and having the six round tournament all that it was just it was just way different back then but what really helped us at George is it started my junior year is they they had the cornfair event at Athens they had it at our university course and I guess that’s the one that HUD won right so HUD Hud won it won it I guess after he turned pro but I think I think my senior year Russell Henley won it as an amateur this was like in May Like we hadn’t even graduated. Sparked it all. Right. Like this was the sparking of okay, wait, maybe these college guys can compete. Yeah. And it it was it was massive. It was a massive confidence boost for us. I I know Russell would say the same thing is having a cornfair event on a on kind of your home course. And and it’s a big deal. Um I think I finished like 35th maybe my junior year and then like 22nd my senior year. But it gave me confidence of like I I I I can play with these guys. Like this this isn’t that much different than college golf. Like the depth is a lot better. Like you got 144 156 guys playing and all of them are are really really good. And in college you might have 40 guys that are really really good in in one tournament. Um that’s true. But it just gave us gave us confidence. And that’s kind of the summer that I played really well. Like I I think I won the the Southern Am at Inennisbrook the week before that cornfair event at uh in Ohio in Columbus, Ohio. And I was playing really well and I think I think the first the first two days of the Columbus Nationwide event, I played with Peter Elon and and Bank Von Bonnage. I I can’t say his last name that well, but played for us. thought I think throughout the whole tournament I played with one professional golfer and then I ended up playing with Peterson the last couple days and it just felt like a college event cuz I was playing with all all the college guys that I’d played with for four years and had a good battle with Peterson. Oh wait, was it John? It was you and John that were competing. It was you two that were going at it. Yeah, I 18 and one by one. He So you you know that course 18’s kind of a quirky par4. Yeah. Got to sling them on right to left. Yeah, I don’t think John could hit it quite far enough to like take it all over the trees and go on the left side. He He had an awesome drive right down the middle. A little tight draw that John always hits and it rolled like just through the fairway right behind this tree and he had to like chip out, hit it on the green somewhere and ended up making bogey. I kind of like high hook one over the trees and the left raft or left fairway, hit it up there to 12 ft and then all of a sudden I have like a putt to win the tournament and John had like been leading all day. Um, so you’re telling me the guy that finished third place won first place money that week cuz y’all were both I think it was Kyle I think it was Kyle Rifers and that was like one of the biggest purses on the Cornferry tour at the time was like 144 grand. That’s a good trivia question right there. Yeah. and and that like got him this PJ tour card. And here John and I are F first and second and we basically get nothing. But luckily for me, like I was turning pro. I was kind of waiting for the Walker Cup. That was kind of my goal for that summer is make the 2011 Walker Cup. But I had 60 days to to turn pro after I wanted to like claim my tour status. So I was lucky enough to do that right after the Walker Cup and play four or five minutes on the on the nationwide tour. Like John didn’t get anything. Like he didn’t get money. He didn’t get exempt status. Like I mean that that’s so massive when you’re that young is just having a place to play. Oh gosh. Yeah. And um 100%. I got I got pretty lucky and and you got to just kind of play good at the right time. So I assume that did that uh earn you enough uh point or I guess you take up status and then the next year did you make it through to the PJ tour basically? I I didn’t get any. So I you had none of points. You just got I had no points. I I had no points. If I would have gotten points from that tournament, I’ve gotten my PG tour card because I I turn pro claimed the nationwide status, played like four or five events. I think I lost to Danny Lee in a playoff in Midland, which is like my second professional start. Um, I think I got third at the Miami tournament over there by the casino. I can’t remember records. That’s already all right. So, I hear a first, second, and a third. I don’t care. I don’t need to hear the rest. That should have been enough for a PJ tour card the following season. It wasn’t. It wasn’t. Um, I made it to the the finals at um TPC Sawrass. I don’t think I made the cut, but I I had to go through Q school, so I it exempted me to second stage. I did second stage and Oh gosh. You didn’t have enough to to get to get like fully like full status on the cornfair tour. The following year you had to go to Q school. I I had to go to Q school. Um so so winning the tournament gave me no points. So basically when I turned pro, I was starting from zero. Oh my gosh. It’s that is so wrong, right? I don’t know. Like what’s the point of Q school? It’s to decide like I I just don’t get that one. That one’s okay. But you obviously got through. You obviously got through Q. I got through. I got through. I did the second stage in Brooksville, Florida, like near Tampa. Yep. Been there. Final stage was the sixthrounder out in uh Palm Springs. Um and and that’s just brutal. Like it’s brutal. Um these guys got it good now, Harris. They got it pretty good. These guys coming up. Very good. It’s different. I mean, it it’s how it should be of like the best college players should have a bit of a pathway or or a head start or get their foot in the door on a place to play and that’s what we didn’t have. And you had a guy like Brian Harmon who was a world beater as a junior, had a played a couple Walker Cups, probably the youngest ever to make a Walker Cup team, three-time all-American, yada yada yada, in college. And then he has he struggles getting through Q school because it’s so hard like missing first stage, missing second stage. Like it’s not easy. And but it’s not easy to have that one time throughout the year where you have to play really good golf. Like you could go win four or five tournaments on the mini tours and if you don’t play good one week in the fall for Q school, you’re out and you have to try it again next year. And it’s brutal, man. It’s it’s insane. And of course you you eventually got through and in 2012 you had a good season, 47th on the FedEx Cup for a rookie season. That’s a really really good start uh to your PJ tour career. But the next two years I found pretty interesting. And in 2013 and 14, you were Mr. Bubble Boy and actually 2015 too. You were bubble boy for the tour championship. Both 13 and 14 you were the guy that was right there to have a chance to make it in that top 30. kind of had some uh I would say lackluster performances in the playoffs in 13 and 14. Uh did you do you remember that time and did you feel like you put too much pressure on yourself to try to make it uh to East Lake? Yeah, I mean kind of my first time going through it and and you want to make it for me making it to Atlanta, making it to East Lake, of course I played a number of times close to Athens, but it kind of becomes a tournament within a tournament. Like you’re you’re not I put I put too much emphasis on like I have to do this. I have to finish top 15 to guarantee myself moving on. and and you end up losing yourself in the round of like I’m just going to play the best I can and with every stay in the present with with every opportunity I’m going to do something with it and and you’re you’re constantly thinking about other stuff and other things that you don’t need to be thinking about and I I’ve done it plenty of times and it’s just it’s tough and that’s what those guys go through when you’re keeping your card like I I’ve been on trying to keep my part and and having to two potted the windom for from 45 ft to stay in a top 125 like it it doesn’t get easy because you know how big some of those those metrics are. Like right now top 50 is massive. Like if if you finish top 50 you get an extra eight elevated events and and that’s massive for the point. So, it it it makes golf a little tougher when you’re when you’re having to worry about things outside of kind of what you can control. Uh, oh, I imagine in 2015 when you did make it to East Lake, the sigh of relief you probably felt when you actually uh qualified for the tour championship probably was a uh your first uh you know probably big moment for you because it when you make it to East Lake, you’re one of only 30 guys and it just it any guy that you’re standing next to the range, you know, the consistency they had to show to be at that place probably was a very satisfying feeling at that point in your career. Yeah. Yeah. It’s it’s really big and and getting into East Lake gets you in all the majors which which was massive for me. Um cuz that’s that’s what you want to do in golf. Like every year you want to play in the biggest tournaments out there. And that’s kind of the majors and and now the elevated events are are massive. And I remember I think I made like a 15t putt for birdie. I think it was in Chicago and and Justin Thomas I think was the the last man out. Like he finished 31st. It was like decimal points, wasn’t it? Yeah. And and again, like you think of all the shots throughout the year that you either gave away or you didn’t convert on an easy up and down or stuff like that and it all comes down to that one putt or one shot at that tournament that means so much. And I I I got the better of him that day and and ended up moving on. But um he had an awesome year for for that might have been his rookie year or second year out. But I’m sure it gave him a lot of fire to to get back to the Tour Championship next year. Well, and if you know many PJ Tour players, veterans that I talked to always say when you look at your career, always look at it with a long-term view because if you play this game long enough, you’re going to go through ups, you’re going to go through downs, and you don’t really know when they’re going to come. You don’t know how long the ups are going to be. You don’t know how long the downs are going to be. And when I look at your career, the the biggest uh I guess road bump I could see is in 2017 through 2019, you go from being the bubble boy for the tour championship for three straight years to all of a sudden in 17 through 19 you’re the bubble boy just to keep your tour card. What do you remember about that specific time through that stretch of golf where in 2018 you had 20 mis cuts but you still end up getting top 125 but still I imagine that point of your career was probably something you never experienced before. Yeah, that’s a great point. Um yeah, when you’re playing really good you don’t know when it you don’t think it’s ever going to stop. And when you’re playing bad you’re like I I don’t know how I’m going to shoot on your par. I I don’t know. I don’t know how like watching guys on TV like they may look at they make it look so easy like I I don’t know how to do that. But I I went through a big searching phase of too much technique, too much golf swing technique. And I looking back I guess it was good because I know I can’t do that. And that’s not that’s not how I play good golf. That’s that’s kind of not how I’ve ever been. And once you get to some of these pinnacles in the game of playing in a lot of last groups, playing in a lot of big tournaments, you can look around pretty easy and like that guy drives it better than me. That guy hits his long irons better than me. That guy hits his wedges better than me. You can you can pick apart your game from any from any perspective. And I was doing that too much and and thought I needed to make my swing perfect. Mhm. And was going through a lot of swing coaches and I mean there were many rounds where I’d probably have five or six different swing thoughts. I I’d start with one on the first three holes, then I’d hit a bad shot, then I’d go to another one for three holes and ride it until I do something wrong. And then it was just a constant battle of of trying trying a bunch of and it doesn’t work. Like what works in this game is doing the same thing every single day. The boring monotonous stuff that breeds consistency to where you’re under pressure. You’re in these big moments and you don’t even have to think about your technique. Like you you’ve done it so much and and practice the consistency and the rhythm and the reps that you it just kind of happens. and I mean saw saw a lot of great swing coaches and and um they just didn’t didn’t work for me. I I don’t know what it was. I don’t know if I was hard-headed. I don’t know if I was doing all the things they wanted me to do. But um what really changed was when um Justin Parsons moved moved to Sea Island I think in 20 18 or 19 and and my agent Jeremy Elliot had had already sent him some swings um from from those kind of those few years that you were talking about. And I guess when he had found out that he was coming over, he was going to be the next guy to replace Tai Anderson who moved down to TPC Sawrass. And so he had a little bit of an idea of this is what Harris looked like in 2012, 2013, 2014 when he was playing some really good golf. And this is what it looks like now. and he he did a great job of kind of starting from from the bottom up of like you’re my my practices were too sloppy. I was not focus was the wrong word. It was just the rhythm of my practice. I was hitting balls too fast. I wasn’t focusing on what I needed to be focused on, which is like now I I’ve just started using Trackman in the past probably four or five months. Um, probably not how other guys use it, but I treat every shot that I hit like it’s a shot in tournament. I go through my full routine. I pick a spot in front of the ball. I visualize what I’m trying to do and I hit it. And I I do this thing on the track, man, where it gives me a game. Like I would love playing Madden and college football NCAA. Like that’s all we did in college and I’ll still sneak off and and do that a little bit at home. But to me, it’s like playing playing a video game. Like it a Trackman. the the iPad will pop up a a green complex and it’ll put a pin on the right and it’ll be 174 yards and it’ll give you this circle around the pen where like that’s where you need to hit it to gain shots. So I that’s all I do is just practice those certain scenarios of shots. Like I I rarely go hit ball like I don’t really enjoy practicing on the range because I get bored so easily. But this keeps keeps me zoned in of like it’s like I’m out there playing golf. Um so I’m hitting certain shots. I’m going through my full routine and I can’t tell you like how much that’s helped me um stay engaged. I I don’t go out and hit 300 balls. Like my my practices are so much more efficient now from working with Justin and working on all of that stuff of him working with Louis and him working with Charles Schwarzel. a lot of seeing Rory grow up like he knew what a good practice session was and and we just went back to the basics of my grip wasn’t great. My grip wasn’t consistent enough. Sometimes it would be a little too strong. Sometimes it’ be a little too weaker. He’s like, “You have to grip it the same every single time. I don’t care what club you’re hitting. It has to look the same.” My aim was all over the place. just the consistency of what I was doing was not breeding consistency on the course and and now it’s like I got to practice as consistent as I can to be the most consistent I can be out on the course where the pressure ramps up the most. Man, that was fascinating. And I think my takeaways from that is that you’re much more intentional in how you practice would be probably the word that comes to mind. And then also engaging yourself in a competitive uh space, one in which it’s it’s not a blank board phase like every shot you and you you can visualize a shot on the PGA Tour from 170 yards to a right pin. That could be one that you’re hitting that week. So it’s always, you know, looking ahead to what you’re preparing for, but also getting your mind in a place that makes you really start to to visualize what’s what’s ahead for either that day or maybe weeks ahead. But that’s the type of practice that is next level. And I’m honestly surprised, Harris, that when I look down here at our our Riverside app, that Charlie uh Holm, the the producer and and co-host of the show, is still here because I’m surprised he’s not already heading to the range to figure this stuff out for him because this is like that was all such great information and gold for people that need to hear it. Yeah. And and I’m like everybody else. Um, I would think like, call it seven, eight years ago, like, okay, I need to I’m not playing good right now. I need to go practice. And I would literally go hit balls for five or six hours until I don’t know what my goal was because you can work yourself into bad habits. And it’s like, you’re going to hit bad golf shots. And I I used to do these practice sessions and hit a bunch of seven irons and I’d pull one and be like, why did I just pull one? And then I’d work for another 30 minutes figuring out why I pulled that one shot and you just dig yourself and then you’re tired and frustrated and it’s like what I’d leave the course and like I just practiced for seven hours and I have no idea what I just did. Like I didn’t I’m not any more confident when I finished than when I started. So it’s like that that’s not that’s not working. Yeah. Well, and I guess I want to ask you this because we’re still in this in this period of time in from 2017 to 2019. So, you already mentioned it before. In 2018, you you finish 11th and you squeak by finishing 120 125th on the FedEx Cup. So, you keep your card the following year and then you say Justin Parson’s moving to town. You all start working together, but then you look at your results in uh 2019 and you see where you finish at the end of the year and you finish 149. So all of a sudden, I imagine that you could your mind could go one of two places. You could either go and start searching again for a new coach. Or you stick to your guns and say, you know what, I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing. I can go play in the fall, get in in the 126 to 150 category, get some starts, and go try to play my way back on the PJ tour. And uh I’m going to go ahead and finish the narration here on this because guess what? That’s what exactly what you did in the fall. You had four top six finishes in the fall. I mean, what was that fall like knowing that you’re going into the most pivotal point in your career where you could be playing on the corn ferry? You could be going and uh playing out of a category that’s really difficult to get starts at 126 150. I mean, come on, how good was that? Yeah, that’s that’s a good that’s a good point. Um I mean, that’s where I played Victoria Nationals, so I went back to the the Cornferry finals those three or four tournaments to try to get my card that way. And yeah, I didn’t I didn’t do it. I didn’t finish top 25 in those finals. But was it 26th? Is that where you finished? Was 26th? I I can’t remember. It was It was decently close. I I remember I didn’t finish very well at Victoria National. Um but I’m telling you, like I had had some really good practice sessions with Justin and I was so close to playing really really good golf and I it it was so like disappointing. I think we drove I think my wife and I drove from wherever Victoria is that in Indiana. Evansville, Indiana. Yeah, Evansville, Indiana. That’s right. I think we So I missed I I can’t remember what I finished. 28th or something in the finals. Didn’t didn’t get top 25. We drove from Evansville to Chattanooga, stayed with the Acres, and then I think drove back home. And it was it was a pretty disappointing drive of like, yeah, I don’t know. I I’ve got to really go chase it down now. My back’s up against the wall. And that’s where my agent Jeremy Justin was awesome of like, hey man, you do great in these situations when your back’s up against the wall. Like, use the fall to get back in it. Go try to win some golf tournaments. And I remember going out to I was in Athens for something, I don’t know, a wedding or and I remember going to hit balls with Justin, my coach. And then Jim Douglas, uh, the legendary assistant coach at Georgia, came out and watched me hit balls. Um, and he left there like, Harry, like you’re you’re back. Like you’re you’re that’s the best I’ve seen you swinging in a long time. Like you’re total command of the ball. And I think the next week I went to the Greenbryer and finished like third or fourth in the PJ tour event. And you you just sometimes you think you’re so far away and then you then you have something click or you remember something from a lesson or you just have one of those practice sessions where you are in total control and command and then it’s like all right, light bulb goes off and you can go compete. And that fall I played unbelievable. um almost won a couple times and I can’t remember what I did in 2020 like well how did it work with status because if you had you were obviously way up there on the FedEx Cup but you were still playing out of the 126 and 150 so you could really only shuffle up in that category right so how did it work for you to be I wasn’t getting in a whole lot of tournaments I kind of get in the the non big golf tournaments on the PJ tour so I I guess I would either have to get a sponsor exemption to get in like Bay But like players players uh they they fill their field based off of FedEx Cup. So like you would get into players, but the other ones like you’re talking about, you’re just basically playing the the ones uh that that maybe not all of the big guys are playing in. Yeah. And I I kind of frame that as like, well, I’m not going to get into every tournament I want to, but the schedule’s kind of set for me of what tournaments I know. And I’m like, well, I might have two or three weeks off, and then I’m going to be the most prepared, the most well-rested, hydrated guy in the field, ready to go for that when I get that start. And that was kind of my mantra for that year. And it it really worked out. And and played good in 2020 as well. like I think I was in second place of the players before they shut it shut it down on the second round. Um so I was I was kind of I was starting to peak at the right times and um man I I think you had to have set a record Harris because I don’t think anybody has ever finished as high in the FedEx Cup from the 126 to 150 category. Dude, you finished 12th from that category. That record is going to be in the PGA Tour Hall of Fame forever. Nobody’s ever gonna touch that from that category. Yeah. And and I mean, props to my team for kind of help helping me frame that season of using as an opportunity to go try to win golf tournaments. It’s like it really can’t get any worse. Like go go balls the wall, go try to knock it down. And then the following year uh finished 18th in the FedEx Cup, but you also had two wins. you started the year winning at Century and then you had that wild playoff of the Travelers in the sevenole playoff which I I can’t even imagine how stressful that experience was at the end. But what it it it was a Ryder Cup year, Harris, and and of course coming off a really good year the year before and starting the year with the win. I’m sure the RDER Cup had to have been on your mind as you got later in the season as as a a milestone that every player wants to to crack, which is to to compete in a Ryder Cup and to see how your game holds into one of the most pressure-packed atmospheres in the world and at least the competitive golf space. And so I want to ask you, what was it like leading up to those picks that Steve Stricker made? Did you feel good about where you stood? you were 10th in the RDER Cup standings uh heading into the picks, but still did you feel like you had done enough? Yeah, you you always question that. You always question that. Um I mean I remember kind of unsure like I I had I had a really good relationship with Steve Stricker. He’s kind of always been from from our era. I I call you in my era even though you’re a few years younger than me. like he was kind of always like the guy like we looked up to him just so cool and and he was always super nice to me kind of a mentor to to my meet on my early years on the tour and I I felt like I had a pretty good chance and I remember playing with Jordan Spe at the uh BMW at Caves Valley and I think we were pair together the first few days it was Bryson Jordan and myself and he was kind of asking me like hey like who do you think you want to play with and all that in the RDER Cup. And I was like, man, like I don’t even know if I’m on the team. And he kind of gave me some assurance like I think you’re going to be on the team. So that kind of made me feel pretty good. But you kind of never know like that. That’s why I want to be in that like looking looking towards this year like I want to lock in my my top six of like making sure I’m on that team because you never know what what Keegan’s thinking. You never know. Mhm. How how the different how they’re the stats guys are playing out all these different scenarios and how the course fit and all that. But um yeah, it was something I’ve always wanted to do. I had a big time playing in the Walker Cup in 2011 over um that was my first time playing Lynx Golf over in Aberdine, Scotland. But it’s definitely the pinnacle of our sport. I mean, we we spend all year playing this individual sport. And then to to be one of the top players in the United States representing your country, like that’s something we don’t do a whole lot and and something I I definitely don’t take for granted. Well, everybody always talks about how much fun the team room is that week and how you really get to see another side of a player that maybe you didn’t know and it you really kind of strengthen relationships with players that maybe you didn’t know quite as well. Uh was was there a player that week that kind of took you under your wing? Man, that’s that’s a good question. We had such a strong team. Um, man, I I played both of my matches with Tony Phenol, who is the absolute best guy in the world. Keeps you loose. Keeps you loose. He keeps me loose. He’s so cool and calm and confident and just has this swag about him that kind of rubbed off on me. And like he had played in one before. Um, he was just an awesome partner. We we had a big time. Um, and you have some younger guys that like I didn’t know as well like Colin Morawa that I got really close with and kind of saw another side of him. Um, had known Kentlay from our amter days and and got to know Xander better and um, kind of being around Scotty. I mean, Scotty was like the controversial That was I was about to ask you that, man. 12th pick of that RDER Cup and and I was actually at at Harbortown with with Shane. We’re kind of sitting in the locker room talking about and he was he was talking about like I I can’t believe Scotty Sheffller was like y’all are thinking about leaving him off that team and like look at what he’s done like after he beat Rom in that singles match. I mean the guy hasn’t lost. I mean it’s it’s crazy. You’re right, cuz Sam Burns was a very popular name being floated around at that same time. Of course, those two guys being a similar age, but was there anything uh that kind of stood out uh watching Scotty in that team room? Of course, he’s the new guy, and we of course didn’t know what he was going to go on and accomplish into the game, but I I my memory from him is of course that he went out and took down John Rom in singles, uh four and three, where John Rom was being talked about as, you know, unbeatable heading into that Ryder Cup. So just him getting that assignment and taking him down, was that maybe a lot of players first like moment of, oh wait, this guy could be really good. Yeah, he I will say like Scotty was not scared. He he was not scared to have that match, which some young guys would would be that’d be a little bit too big of a moment for him. And I think that was finally his realization that he’s really really good. Yeah. Like that that was the whole thing like leading up to that Ryder Cup is like Scotty hasn’t won. he hasn’t finished it off. And I think once he did that is like I can I can do this. Like that that just put him over the top of like the confidence wise of him being able to do it. Um Sure. But we had like some a lot of my idols were the vice captains like you got Furick, you got Fred Couples who was like my all time like Fred and Davis Love were like the guys that he was hyping you up that week. Davis was hyping you up that week if I recall. He was like he was ready for Harris English to have a big week if I remember right. Yeah. Um so it was it was really cool for for me to be around those guys who I watched a lot growing up and maybe guys like Colin and some of those younger guys like Fred and and Davis can had already like passed on by the time they’re moving up. But those are my guys and in the mid to late 90s of how I got into golf. Sure. Tiger Woods included. even though Tiger wasn’t um part of that team, but um it was just such a cool experience and um having it during CO was a little weird like you didn’t have all the fans out there. You still had to we had to get CO tested by going up there. Um but man, it it was it was awesome experience. Yeah. Um once you once you make one of those teams, you never want to miss one. Like I I’ve definitely had some FOMO of of missing out on some of those teams here the past few years just cuz you know how much fun it is and and you finally get to live out some of your dreams of playing team golf is is kind of what we all crave and playing for your country like that is you can’t get anything better than that. and and having it every two years like this, it just kind of builds up and and that’s all people are talking about the beginning of the year is like who’s gonna who’s going to make the Rder Cup team and and finally the week the week happens and it flies by so fast, but it is uh it is a ton of fun. Let’s hop back on the roller coaster real quick, Harris, because uh we we were on this like the super high of the RDER Cup and playing a whistling straight. So, of course, you’re leaving that property and you’re thinking, man, I got the world, you know, at my palms. I’m ready just to have the biggest year in uh in 2022. So, I I’m just going to move five months forward and all of a sudden Harris English is having to get hip surgery. How how frustrated were you to to go through the process of of course wanting to have a big year uh the following year and whatever your goals may have been to all of a sudden you’re out for 6 months and having to get hip surgery. Yeah. I mean, it it was always something that was nagging me and and I even had problems back in college. Like I I think my first year on tour I that was my first time going out to Bale, Colorado at the Student Clinic and trying to figure out what was going on cuz I my hips would would flare up every now and again and and I just didn’t have the movement that I thought I should. Like I couldn’t really squat very well. It would always I kind of get this dead leg on the course a little bit. Sometimes I’d wake up in the morning and like I couldn’t lift my right leg and I have to like roll off the bed. So back in 2012, I think I got like a PRP shot or something. Basically, um Dr. Philippine said like back even back in 2012, like your your labor is torn, you have this cam kind of bone spur on your hip. Like this is the problem. like we can put a band-aid on it and see how long it’ll last you, but eventually it’s going to become an issue where you can’t really play with and did the PRP there. It it helped me for a while. I did a lot of stuff in the gym to help. Um, but it got to a point where none of the physiootherapy, none of the gym stuff was really helping. Like I’ I’d do all that stuff, then I’d go out of the range and I couldn’t I couldn’t get to the back swing position that Justin wanted me to get in. Like I couldn’t I could take it back to the top and like hold it. Right hip or left hip? My right my right hip. Um and therefore I would just get in some really bad swing habits of of like not being able to load all the way back. And the benefit of winning on the PJ tour and winning twice in 2020 um was it kind of gave me a runway of like all right well if I’m going to get this done this is a a good time to get it done. Like it didn’t feel very good on the West Coast. I remember going I went to Ping. So we’re out in Phoenix for the waste management. I I went out to Ping on a Monday to like test some clubs whatnot and driving like 30 minutes from my hotel. I get out of the car and I’m like, “Ooh, this hip feels terrible.” So, I I foam roll, I do some stretching and all that. Then I start hitting balls and it literally feels like it could like pop out of socket any moment and did some physio work, did some gym work, and like I couldn’t really hit balls that week. And then I remember like Helen, my wife was in the hotel like and I was like, I don’t know if I can play this week. Like my hip feels terrible. I started talking to Jeremy, my manager, and kind of came to a conclusion like, let’s go out to Vale. This might be the time to get it done. Let’s see what Dr. Philippine thinks. And you kind of bought yourself some time on the PJ tour and maybe this is time to get it done. And I’m so glad that I did. Um, it sucked at the time. It sucked being laid up. I think I stayed out there for three weeks after after surgery working with our PT team. I just wanted to do it right. And sure, it sucked being out from golf and and I think I missed I missed the Masters. I mean, I was qualified for the Masters and couldn’t play. Um, but I I mean I’m so glad that I did. It helped me feel good again. Obviously, I’ I’ve had to do a lot of gym work to make everything around it stronger, but it it’s been so beneficial for me and and I’m glad that I did it at that time. And and just this season, 2025, you’re obviously having uh one of your best seasons. Of course, you finished second at the PGA, second at the Open Championship. Uh you got a win at the Farmers. Uh what was it like winning uh for the first time for it feels like a long time uh at the farmers this year? Did that did that tournament feel like it was in slow motion? It did. It did. Yeah. I’ve I’ve played really good golf at Tory. Um it’s one of my favorite courses on tour. Um had a lot I lost in the playoff there in maybe 2014 or 15. I got third at the US Open there when John Ram won. So I’ve been close a few times. It’s just I just love those kind of golf courses where you just got to make par. You got to stay in it. And uh it it was just nice to finish off a really good Sunday round. And I didn’t hit it my best, but I feel like I strategized really well with with my man Eric Larson and left myself in position on the second shot to to give myself a good up and down cuz it was windy, it was cold, it was tough. Oh, it was hard. And you gotta you just got to bear down and and make a lot of pars. And I think I parred like the last nine or 12 holes or something to to win. But yeah, I mean like you said earlier, like when you win a tournament, you think it’s going to last forever. And I I know Scotty Shuffler has said recently like it only lasts for like five or 10 minutes. Then you’re thinking about what I’m going to do next. and some of those those big highs like winning winning that playoff at Travelers like you think it’s going to last last forever and and you’re going to keep playing unbelievable golf and and the realization is is that you never know when you’re going to win again. So you got to cherish those moments as much as you can and and enjoy it because you you never know when it’s going to happen again. And in this major season, obviously having two runner-up finishes, uh what was your uh I guess maybe not mindset, I don’t know if is the right word, but just your overall goals heading into the weeks that you uh you know, you finished second place. Did you expect to play well both of those weeks? I did. I did. This is a big been a big step forward for me and in majors of I think the majors like my game is kind of tailor made for the majors of like tougher setups. um you’re not shooting 25 under par. Like it kind of plays into my into my hands a little bit and like this is my best best finish of the Masters. I got T12. Um but yeah, like going back to Co Hollow, like Coil Hollow is one of my favorite courses. I played really really good golf there. Haven’t won yet there, but but been close. And um played some really good Sunday rounds in majors, which has kind of been a a theme for this year is Sunday is is when you’re supposed to feel the best. and and ultimately pay play the best. And that’s kind of what you train and practice for to put yourself in those situations. And um yeah, this has been a been a big step forward for me in those majors of yeah, I’ve kind of come from behind a little bit. Scotty. Scotty has been pretty hard to chase down and tournaments, but I I know I can play well on Sunday in a major um from this past year and hopefully I’m going to get more opportunities to be up there in the lead or close to lead on Sunday and and reel off really good round and and win one next year. Well, if you if you happen to catch the headlines, of course, your your normal caddy, Eric Warson, wasn’t on the bag for you at the open. Uh that had to be frustrating. Of course, you had a a great backup and your coach, uh, putting coach Roman was on the bag for you that week, but still had to be kind of frustrating not to experience that with your main man, Eric. It was. It was. It It was disappointing. I I was disappointed for him and I knew that it was going to be kind of a a little bit of a change in what we’ve been doing because I mean, he was on the bag at Augusta, at the US Open, at the PGA. We’ve had some real good finishes. One with me at the Farmers. We’ve we’ve been we’ve been chugging along these last few years and um I was disappointed for him because I know how much he wants to be there. I know how much he likes going to Scotland, going to the Open Championship and and giving me the best chance I can to win a major. And I I think we finished Sunday round at Travelers and he didn’t want to tell me that week cuz he thought it was I was going to it was going to mess with me. So he waited till after we got done Sunday that he was denied to go. Yeah. we’re we’re packing up my bag um Sunday after the travelers and he’s like, “Hey, my man, like just want to let you know like I I filled out filled out that UK ETA visa thing that we all had to fill out and they denied me.” And I was like, “All right, well, we still got five, six weeks before we go over there. Like, we’ll figure it out.” And he’s like, “I’ve hired a law firm. Um going to get the PJ tour to write a letter. Going to get the RNA to write a letter.” like trying to get every all of his bases checked of of getting everybody trying to help out. So, I wasn’t really worried about it. I was like, they’re they’re going to figure it out. Like, he’s catting in the national open over there. They’re going to they’re going to allow this. And I didn’t realize how serious it was. And we kind of get kept getting closer and closer to when I was supposed to leave for the Scottish Open. So, kind of had to develop a backup plan of all right, well, if Eric can’t get over there, we’re going to have Joe Eder. um yeah, caddy cuz he he was at the John Deere caddies for Davis Thompson. He was my first caddy on tour. I’ve got a great relationship with Joe. Um so he was kind of my plan D. And then Eric couldn’t go over playing in the Scottish Open. Uh Davis Thompson actually gets into the British Open so Joe can no longer caddy for me at the British Open. Um but my coach Raone was cing for a answer at the Liv Tour over in Spain. So, he was helpful enough to come over the British Open and caddy for me, and it worked out really well. Um, but it was it was nice to have two of those guys who who I knew really well and and knew my game well enough to where it wasn’t it wasn’t that big a deal. Like, it definitely sucked not having Eric there, but um it couldn’t have worked out any any better having those guys fill in. All right. So, let me ask you this because I have the question mark of the one of the other big storylines of the week was the player who had also spent jail time, guy named Ryan Peak. He spent five years, I believe, in jail over maybe in Australia for like assault, but he played in the tournament. How does that work? Is it like does that make any sense to you? I don’t know. I don’t know. I mean, Eric Eric is very open with talking about what he did. He knows he did wrong. He spent 10 plus years in prison. He got his degree in prison. Like, what more do you want this guy to do? Like, he’s had a clean record for 20 years. He’s been catting for everybody. Like, I mean, what more do you want this guy to do? Like, how do you get this? It’s not a danger to society. The only It’s not a danger to society. He’s going over to work. He’s going over there to work for me and and help win a major championship. The only danger that he would maybe provide over there is if there’s happens to be like a milk shortage. From what I understand, that man goes through a lot of milk. He sure does. He sure does. That’s kind of how he how he rates uh how good the caddy area at each tournaments are is if they have good cold milk. Like I guarantee you in Memphis next week, he’s going to come off the course after four and a half or five hours in 100 degree heat. He’s gonna walk straight into there and down about three glasses of cold milk. And I don’t know how anybody He drinks more milk than anybody I’ve ever seen in my life. Was that before prison time? Like or is this Did he pick up this this habit uh from from inside the uh inside prison? I think Well, he grew up in Wisconsin, which is kind of known known for their milk. But I guess when he was in when he was in prison, they had to drink like powdered milk. Which doesn’t sound that great to me. So I guess he like missed it so much to where okay he just loves it. Like he milkshake drinking a bunch of milk. Like he’ll he’ll do anything with milk in it. I love it. So he’s his favorite event has to be the memorial because he just takes down shakes every day. Yeah. All right, Harris. Well, we’ve taken up too much of your time, man. And I I want to tell you how much respect I have for uh for just how you approach the game, how how you uh how hard you work at the game. It’s always been fun to watch you and you’ve always been somebody I’ve looked up to when I was playing. Uh, and I miss the days where we used to, you know, stay at Airbnbs together and have Wags uh, run the show and and who knew that him and I were both going to be in media, but uh, but here we are. Go to the go to those big dinners in Miami where he picked up the tab for everybody. That’s right. That’s right. We’re going to have to maybe share that story on another day with the story with me, Harris, Jordan, and JT going out to Nou in Miami. That That’s one’s going to have to be another day cuz that was Hey, you played the best that week at Dorado, so it ended up working out. Yeah, by the grace of God. I don’t know how it happened. It was a good night. Well, uh, for a guy, just again, so much respect for what you’ve done. Uh, to be able to enter the top 10 in the world three different times. Just shows your resiliency. And I think a lot of people after they finish this interview will know how, you know, much you’ve gone through in this game and, uh, how dedicated you are to to being the best at your craft. So, uh, congrats on all the success and, uh, I I for one hope to see you at the Ryder Cup this year with the big crowd. So, uh, you get the full I appreciate it. Smiling. Love, uh, love what you do, man. Love, uh, love hearing your insight and and love seeing you out there on course like I did had the British on 16, 15. That’s right, buddy. Thank you, man. All right. Cheers, smile. See you. You know, I listen to this podcast. It’s really cool. And all of our fans and subscribers, but make sure you like and subscribe. It’s cool to see what you guys are doing. I know golf fans appreciate it, but we we do, too. So, please keep it up for all the good people at YouTube. Like and subscribe. You guys have some good takes, so I’m happy to come on and and shoot the