Livvy Dunne opens up about NIL, Olympic dreams & “sex sells” | What’s Your Story? With Steph McMahon

Livvy Dunne sits down with Steph McMahon to talk about her Sports Illustrated Swimsuit cover, blowing up on social media, the good and bad of NIL and more. A WWE & Fanatics Original Production.

I was actually competing on her ankle, I think the 2018 USA Championships and
part of my ankle bone died. And what, like it. >> Speaker 1: I don’t
know you can do that? >> Speaker 1: It just died, so
my Olympic dreams died with it. [MUSIC] >> Speaker 2: Well, we are thrilled to
formally introduce Olivia Livy Dunn, LSU gymnastics star, social media
maven and 2024 NCAA National Champion. With over 13 million followers
across TikTok and Instagram, Livvy has truly set the benchmark for
what it means to be a student athlete. Signing multimillion dollar NIL deals with
brands like Viori and American Eagle. And you did this all while launching
the Livvy Fund to empower female athletes. Taking your routines from
the floor to the runway, the 22 year old sports Illustrated
swimsuit cover model is rede fame and success, please welcome Livvy Dunne. >> Speaker 1: Intro. [APPLAUSE] Thank you for having me. >> Speaker 2: It’s so great to have you,
so great to have you, so I’m not sure exactly where to start. We’ve gone over so many different
questions, but I think I will get into your gymnastics career because you’ve been
doing gymnastics since you were three. >> Speaker 1: Yes. >> Speaker 2: And it’s the love of
your life, the passion of your life, is that right? >> Speaker 1: It was my first love,
it really was. >> Speaker 2: And
can you like set the stage a little bit?, do you remember even like
the first meet you saw or was it a particular gymnast that
enthralled you?, you were only three. >> Speaker 1: So
I would say I always love to climb things, I was climbing cabinets when I was three,
I just always love to move around. And I tried softball when I was young and it was more of like a team dynamic whereas
though, I would be playing first base and I would try and run across the field
to go and catch balls in the outfield. Like I was crazy and I didn’t trust
anyone around me, so I was like, maybe an individual sport
would be better for me. Since I did love to climb everything and I was in control of my own
destiny doing gymnastics and I really did love it from a young age and
I still do, I still do. >> Speaker 2: What do you think is
the hardest part about, I mean, a gymnast at your level because you went
on to nearly compete in the Olympics, you competed in the Junior Olympics. >> Speaker 1: So
I used to compete for Team USA, I feel like not a lot of
people actually know that. I don’t talk about it too much because in
some people’s lives it was a pretty dark time because of the Karoli Ranch and those things that came along
with USA Gymnastics at the time. But I did compete for Team USA,
and we would go to Italy, compete, we won gold, that was one of
the biggest honors of my life. But, I mean, it was just not
the right environment for me, and I kept getting hurt, you know what?,
I’m going to go enjoy the sport again in college, go to LSU,
heal up and enjoy and love the sport. >> Speaker 2: I was looking up on
social media and, well, actually, I was looking on Grok, and
it said when you were 15 to 16 that you were competing and
that a bone in your ankle died. >> Speaker 1: Yes. >> Speaker 2: I’ve never
heard that before. >> Speaker 1: I know,
I was actually competing on her ankle, I think the 2018 USA Championships and
part of my ankle bone died. >> Speaker 2: I don’t
know you can do that. >> Speaker 1: It’s called an OCD, it just
died, so my Olympic dreams died with it. >> Speaker 2: No, that’s. [LAUGH]
>> Speaker 1: So I ended up kind of healed a little bit, it stopped bothering me,
and I went to college after that, but it was so painful, that was like,
one of my first real injuries. And I’ve actually never gotten any
surgery, which is kind of crazy for amazing. >> Speaker 2: You need to
knock on wood right now. >> Speaker 1: And I was like, you know
what?, I think if I just give myself time to heal, I can heal without surgery,
so that’s something I take pride in. >> Speaker 1: I have never needed surgery
as a gymnast, which is very uncommon. >> Speaker 2: That is very unusual and
you talk about being a gymnast and how common these injuries are. It’s such a tough sport, especially to compete at the level
that you were competing in. And I haven’t ever competed in gymnastics
except, when I was rolling around, when I was little,
I was never very good at it. I have much respect, but
those who do, I mean, it’s such strenuous training,
it’s diet, it’s constant. And especially, again,
at the level that you were at, I imagine it’s a little bit
hard on a social life, is that. >> Speaker 1: Totally, and I always
say it kind of consumed my childhood, especially competing for the USA,
so I had to be homeschooled. I think I started homeschooling when I
was in seventh grade because that’s when training became more rigorous and I knew
I really wanted to go to the Olympics. And I was on the USA National Team, so
I knew that I had to make a sacrifice. And there’s a lot of different things, whether it’s like pool day with my
friends, beach day, family vacations, competing for
the USA was what I wanted to do. So, I had to skip those proms and
field trips, so it was give and take, but
it was very rewarding doing what I did and being able to compete for
the United States. That’s a really cool thing
that I get to say I did, which not a lot of people do,
but it’s rigorous on your body. My gosh, don’t even get me started. >> Speaker 2: But
what would a day look like?, your average. >> Speaker 1: So I’d wake up and
I would do some schoolwork. >> Speaker 2: And
what time would you wake up? >> Speaker 1: Honestly, I don’t even
remember my schedule because it was so long ago, but I would wake up,
I know I do some schoolwork. My mom was my teacher, shout out, mom,
but it was really hard, she’s over there, but it was very hard to listen to
you most of the time, I’m so sorry. I was probably like
the worst student teacher. So my mom was my teacher and
I would sit in the living room, my only classmate was my dog, pretty much. >> Speaker 1: And
what was your dog’s name? >> Speaker 1: Biscuit, she was a queen,
but anyways, I would do my schoolwork, go to practice for four hours and
I would train with one other girl and she ended up going to Alabama,
which is like a rival. >> Speaker 2: So did you ever see her? >> Speaker 1: She’s still
one of my best friends. >> Speaker 1: That’s great.
>> Speaker 1: So we trained, I trained with one other girl,
we trained four hours in the morning, take an hour break,
do more schoolwork or go to the mall for a few minutes, go eat Panera there. >> Speaker 2: Right.
>> Speaker 1: And then we would go back to practice and train like four more hours
and condition at the end of practice and then I would go to physical therapy
after practice every single day. Because when you’re putting your body
through all that rigor every single day, competing and training,
it was pretty much every single day and you have to take care of your body. >> Speaker 2: Recovery is important. >> Speaker 1: I would probably make my mom
massage me too, sorry, mom, [LAUGH] and she does it all. >> Speaker 2: It was a full time job. >> Speaker 1: Yes, I’m a full time job,
I feel so bad, but it was crazy, it really was. >> Speaker 2: And along with the physical
rigor, because a lot of people, I don’t think really appreciate the mental
fortitude that comes with that. Because knowing you’re missing certain
parties or whatever it is, but you. You have your goal and so
you know what you want to get to. But knowing that you’re
giving those things up, that you’re making those sacrifices,
pushing yourself every single day, you know, that is a full on mental game. And then especially with the aches and
pains and everything else, you know, towards the end of the day, like, how do
you equate what you learned from a mental toughness standpoint that’s
really gotten you through? >> Speaker 2: Gymnastics has taught me so
many different lessons. Gymnastics is a mind game. It truly is. And I think with yourself just in general, getting your body to do the skills
that are so crazy, right, you’d be scared to do,
sometimes your body doesn’t want to do it. Sometimes, you know,
you get mental blocks and your body does not do what
your brain is telling it. So it can be super scary at times. And I know that’s a subject, you know,
Simone has talked about because of the 2020 Olympics and the twisties, which
I don’t even like to say that word still because it’s like so scary in gymnastics,
but it truly is such a mental game. And I had a mental health coach,
my aunt, her name is Laura St. John. She helped me with everything. Like, truly, like,
she was always there to talk to me. I know she has talked to somebody,
my teammates, some girls at my gym growing up. And I think that having someone
there besides your coach is super important because your coach
doesn’t always understand from a mental aspect, you know,
the challenges, that of trying to get your body to be perfect and
do perfection every single day. So my aunt always helping me through it,
changed my gymnastics career. And still to this day, I talk to her and
she helps me make my dreams come true. >> Speaker 1: What’s one of
the biggest lessons she taught you? >> Speaker 2: That you’re
more than your sport? She would tell me that. And I think that carried over into my,
into my life now because, yes, I found so much success in gymnastics, especially
competing for the usa, which, like I said, not a lot of people know that I did that
I kind of blew up when I got to college. >> Speaker 1: Congratulations, by the way. >> Speaker 2: Thank you.
>> Speaker 1: Because it is really an amazing accomplishment. >> Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And I, I think her reminding me
that I am more than my sport and after I did not make my
Olympic dreams come true, that I could still find success that
I wanted, and it all came true. And I think that having that good mindset
and having somebody there to, you know, encourage you and help you,
especially during those really hard times. I mean, there’s,
whenever you’re you’re up. There’s.
There’s a down. And. >> Speaker 1: You know what? You might not know what up felt
like if you didn’t know it down. >> Speaker 2: Exactly. And I think that getting through those
points, my aunt, she has helped me, and she’s one of the best mindset coaches,
I think, in the world. >> Speaker 1: Is she
called a mindset coach? Is she a sports? Like, does she have a particular
field that she studied or. >> Speaker 2: I would say mindset coach, because mindset coach that
plays into sports, too. And she really helped me up
my game in athletics as well. I mean, my life has been great,
but I think athletics is. Is what turned me into who I am today. And without her, I wouldn’t be who I am. >> Speaker 1: That’s wonderful. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And then so you have this traumatic,
I’m going to call it, and you correct me where I’m wrong, but this moment where
you think you’re going to the Olympics, right, And your ankle dies and you’re not,
certainly not expecting this, right? And I’m sure it was not an easy time for
you, and your aunt helps you get through it. How did you then wind up at lsu? >> Speaker 2: So
I was actually recruited by lsu. The recruiting rules were different
back when I was looking at colleges. The rule changed now that you can’t be
recruited until your junior year of high school. So I was recruited by schools when I was,
like, 11 years old. >> Speaker 2: Okay. And people would commit to college. I think I committed going into
my freshman year of high school, which was considered late. Like, a bunch of my friends had
already committed to schools. So I. I knew I loved LSU the first
time I stepped on campus. I mean, when I was so young, I didn’t know
what LSU was because I’m from New Jersey, and I was literally like,
I like purple, but I had no clue. But as soon as I visited LSU and,
you know, the head coaches would come to my
gym in New Jersey and recruit me, I. I fell in love with lsu. It was really like, it. It felt like family. And the girls on the team,
that’s what drew me to lsu, because I could tell that wasn’t fake. I mean, I went to other schools, and it
just didn’t feel like how it did at lsu. And also, the Tiger fans are insane. Like, they’re insane. And I knew that, okay. I didn’t go to the Olympics, and
I didn’t have that experience competing in front of, like, absolutely crazy crowds,
like, at an Olympic Games. But lsu, I would say,
is the craziest environment. And I Always try to put my. Whenever I would compete in the pmac,
which is the arena at lsu, I would always try to put myself in the other team’s
shoes for a second and just take it and be like, well, I don’t even know what
I’d do if I was the away team right now. It is intimidating, it’s fun, it’s loud. And I knew that’s the experience I wanted
and I deserved when I got to college. >> Speaker 1: I love that answer. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. >> Speaker 1: Well, Elise has been dying
to ask you about your social media. >> Speaker 2: Yes. >> Speaker 3: So obviously you now
have 8 million followers on TikTok, over 5 million on Instagram. Insane. And I just, you know, curious how you,
you know, you tell the story of Junior Olympics to college and
then when did this take off and how. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, so
my social media took off during COVID but I actually started social media when
I was probably 10 years old, I think. >> Speaker 2: Okay.
That’s when I remember I downloaded Instagram. And ever since then, I was just in
love with looking at the analytics. What people liked, what people didn’t. I remember the first thing
that ever went viral for me, I was doing, it’s called the Torgitae
ring, and it’s a gymnastics move. And I put it in slow motion, put it on my Instagram when I was super
young because I was in the gym all day. Like, I just would post gymnastic stuff. And it went quite viral because I guess
not a lot of people my age at that point were doing all these crazy skills. >> Speaker 2: Sure. >> Speaker 2: So
it drew a lot of traction. And ever since then,
I loved looking at analytics. I had amassed about a hundred
thousand followers just from competing gymnastics before
I even got to college. So during quarantine,
I got stuck at my grandma’s condo in Florida, and
I was like, you know what? I kept scrolling on TikTok, yada, yada. My mom’s like, if you’re going
to be sitting there scrolling, you might as well create something. Like, do something while everyone’s bored. >> Speaker 1: Do something productive. >> Speaker 3: Right? >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
And also, it’s so funny because people are like,
how did you get started on social media? I was like, also, I was homeschooled. I. That was my way of connecting with people. Yeah.
And I was like, you know,
nobody’s there to make fun of me either. I was like, it’s just me or my mom. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. >> Speaker 1: So I would-
>> Don’t read the comments. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So I. So I started posting during
quarantine consistently. That’s the key. I would post consistently, looked at
what worked, looked at what didn’t. And it just blew up from there. I’d flip around at the beach. It was kind of like morphing
my passion gymnastics and bringing it to where I was
stuck during quarantine. So I would post all these videos,
me flipping around at the beach. And I feel like maybe it was just
like a happy part of people’s day. Seeing someone flipping
around at the beach. >> Speaker 2: I think it’s inspiring. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
And then I got to college after and people couldn’t believe that it was
an actual gymnast because they didn’t know your past. >> Speaker 3: She’s there. She is. >> Speaker 1: [LAUGH] Yes. >> Speaker 2: Look at that. >> Speaker 3: So if only we could do that. >> Speaker 1: So I would just, yeah. >> No, I could do that. >> Speaker 3: I would
bring some of my stuff. >> Speaker 1: I would hurt myself. Yeah.
Now it’s all, now it’s all a fun party trick. But yeah, so I got to college and
it just kept blowing up from there. People couldn’t believe I
was an actual gymnast and I didn’t just flip at
the beach every single day. So they started following
LSU gymnastics in my career. And yeah, it, it has been so much fun. It’s been such a blessing. >> Speaker 3: And now you, like,
you’re at the LSU baseball game, you’re at your boyfriend’s baseball game. Wherever you are, you just like think of,
this would be fun. Or like, how do you,
where’s your inspiration? Because it’s so impressive to
me that you post and I’m like, why couldn’t I think of that? Or like, why is that so cool? It’s because she’s doing it. >> Speaker 1: I feel like I always have
had my finger on the pulse of what’s going on. Maybe someone call me chronically online,
but I don’t know. But yeah, I, I’ve always enjoyed, like I
said, seeing what worked, what didn’t. My sister, she helps me with everything. I work with her every single day. Her name is Jules, she’s the best. I work with her and my mom and
we’re like, as we don’t always get along. >> Speaker 2: I was gonna say tough combo. >> Speaker 1: But I like, it’s always,
you know, short lived, little arguments. But she helps me with everything. Content creation, coming up with captions,
putting videos together for brands. It’s. It’s a team effort for sure. And it definitely takes our village. I would say yes. >> Speaker 2: Are you ready to hold
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you can continue to grow what you know and what you love in so many different ways. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, and
she helps me, my sister and my mom helped me also with the Livy Fund,
which I started for female athletes to help
provide NIL deals for them. Because I’ve been so fortunate to
be put in the position where I do get these brand deals and I’ve learned
and I’ve worked with these brands and I know what works and what doesn’t and
how to communicate with the brand. Thanks to my sister and my mom, too. They get on the calls with me. They get on calls for me. So we started the Libby Fund all together
to help bring NAL deals to either my teammates or female athletes at lsu. I’d like to expand that further. >> Speaker 2: That would
be one of my questions. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to
expand that beyond LSU because it is a passion of mine and
Nil did change my life. And there are good parts to nil,
which I know not a lot of people right now are saying, especially, you know,
when it comes to the men’s. >> Speaker 2: What are some
of the good parts? >> That it has the opportunity to
change a female athlete’s life. I mean, there’s not a lot
of professional leagues for women’s sports outside of college. So it’s so important to capitalize on
your, your name, image and likeness, which you should have rights to because
it’s yourself while you’re, you know, competing in front of some of the biggest
crowds of your life while these, these teams and fan bases love you. So I think that’s so important and Asides
from, you know, men’s sports, it’s so important for the girls to
capitalize on that while they can. >> Speaker 2: I heard in
an interview that you gave, you were talking about just
that how oftentimes, you know, it seems to be a little bit easier for
the men competing in certain sports. And that’s one of the reasons why you
wanted to do this, for women, to really talk to them about how to capitalize
on this opportunity before them. So what are the tricks of the trade
that you’re willing to share on here? You know, how do you have your
first conversation with the brand? >> Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think, first of all, nobody expected
a gymnast to be at the forefront of nil. So I think saying f, the expectations. >> Right. >> Speaker 1: And the haters, first of
all, because nobody would expect you to- >> And ignore the haters. >> Speaker 1: Truly. I’m going to be completely honest. Either you have to ignore them or
block them. I have no shame in blocking people. Good like or unfollowing. If you, if you’re getting hate and you don’t want to see it like you
have control over your account. That’s the fun part of social media. You get to share what you want and you get
to not share what you don’t want to share. If you don’t see something you like,
I just block it. But yeah, or ignore it because. >> Speaker 2: And that’s not like. Because I think people, especially when
they’re first getting their presence online, they think like,
I need all of those people. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, you,
you don’t want those people anyways. Or if you do leave those kind of comments,
like, you just have to think of it. Okay, well,
this person is engaging with my posts and it’s going to help the algorithm. But yeah,
it really depends on who you are, but all that kinda stuff is just clutter,
and it’s not gonna help you. It really is not. And I’ve. I’ve noticed the more you do right,
the more people try to knock you down. That’s true. Every single time when something good
is happening to me or I’m about to have a breakthrough, whether it’s a huge
new collaboration or something great, whether it’s a Sports Illustrated cover,
there’s always, you know, that down. There’s always people trying
to pull at you, tear you down. I don’t know if it’s jealousy,
I don’t know what it is. But it’s funny how things work because
usually there’s a breakthrough right about to happen after. >> It’s so interesting. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: My husband always tells me, because I can’t help but, you know,
If I read 10 comments, even nine of them are positive and one is negative,
I fixate on that negative comment. And I’m like, why would they say that? >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 3: And he goes, Steph, honestly, would you ask that
person their opinion for anything? >> Speaker 1: That’s what my sister says. She’s like, don’t take criticism from
somebody you wouldn’t take advice from. And I think in that case, what you
just said, that is a prime example. Usually these people don’t
even have a profile picture. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, well, that’s what my. My husband also says. Yeah.
And they’re, you know, they’re hiding in their mother’s basement. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
And their username is, like, user 193249. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. We definitely don’t want their advice. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. >> Speaker 1: Well, speaking of,
because you did mention, and I would like to ask you more
about the Livy Fund, but you were the COVID model for
Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. You also walked the Runway and
did a pretty fabulous stunt. >> Speaker 2: Yes. >> Speaker 1: That I don’t think any
model, at least that I’ve heard of, has ever done before. But can you talk about that experience? And, you know, how did you even become
aligned with Sports Illustrated? You know,
how did that whole process unfold? >> Speaker 2: So I got offered
to be in Sports Illustrated, and all started because of a hit piece
the New York Times wrote about me. So they came to our gymnastics
facility at lsu, took pictures of me, they said, where your team issued a tire,
put on a leotard, and they took picture of me standing in front
of the beam like any gymnast would, and then they blew it up on the screen and
put the headline, Sex sells. >> Speaker 1: Nice. >> Speaker 2: Okay, well,
you just came into the facility and took pictures of me in. Our team issued a tire and
blew it up on a screen. >> That you asked me to wear. >> Speaker 2: Yes.
>> Speaker 1: So you clearly set me up. >> Speaker 2: Exactly, so I was like,
okay, well, this is crazy. And there was obviously a lot of backlash
to the New York Times because of that. And I decided I’m gonna put that
same picture that they posted and caption, sex cells. I’m gonna put on my Instagram story and
write at New York Times. Is this too much? Because, come on. Like, right, you know what you’re doing? You just put a picture of me there
in a leotard for clicks, and then caption it sex sells. >> Speaker 1: Right. >> Speaker 2: So I put on my Instagram
story and said, at New York Times, is this too much? And then people love that. They were like, this is so great, because. No, it’s not too much. >> Speaker 2: No. >> Your team issued a tire,
which is a leotard for gymnasts. >> Speaker 1: Right.
>> Speaker 2: You can’t control that. So Sports Illustrated reached out. >> Speaker 1: Well, plus, if you wore clothing that had
that was baggy in any way. >> Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get hurt. >> Speaker 2: So it was just ridiculous. I ended up putting that on
my Instagram story, and there was a lot of positive
feedback from that. So Sports Illustrated
reached out to my agent. I was so excited. Like, that was always a dream of mine. I mean, that there’s some legends and some amazing athletes that have
been in Sports Illustrated. So I was super excited, this time, it was my third year shooting with SI,
and yeah, I got the cover. >> Speaker 3: And, I mean,
we were talking about this earlier. I’m like, I cannot imagine the feeling
like you’ve done the shoot, so you know you’re in it. When you found out that you were on
the COVID what did that mean to you? What was your reaction for showing this? >> [LAUGH]
>> Especially as the third time? I mean, look at that. >> Picture. >> Speaker 1: I was joking before that, that’s your head super
superimposed on my body. >> [LAUGH]
>> Speaker 1: I wish, I wish. >> Speaker 2: So there’s a crazy backstory
to that photo, actually, I was kneeling in the sand right there with a fractured
kneecap because it was in the middle of gymnastics season, and they were like,
okay, you wanna come to Bermuda and shoot? It’s always pretty last minute. But I was like, yeah, of course I do. And it was more practical. The other option was to go to
Switzerland and shoot on a glacier. >> Speaker 2: So I was like,
Bermuda is a little bit easier to get to. >> [LAUGH]
>> So we had just competed at Auburn, and I left right from Auburn,
my coach would never give me a day off. It’s not his job, too. It’s his job to coach gymnastics. So I’d always go on,
like, a day off and go. I flew from Auburn to Bermuda, shot
the cover shot with a fractured kneecap. >> Speaker 2: Did you
know it was the cover? >> No, I did not know when I was shooting,
it was just another shoot, I was really feeling it this time, though. >> Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Weather was gorgeous. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, you were feeling. >> Speaker 2: I felt extremely confident. >> Speaker 1: You were vibing. As my youngest, I was majorly vibing, yes. >> Speaker 2: And, yeah,
I knew the pictures were great this year. I saw little sneak previews of them. I always tried to catch a peek. I had no clue, though. Nobody told me that I was shooting for
a cover. I knew that that bikini was MJ Day,
the chief editor’s favorite one, so we shot it twice. So I was like, okay,
she must really like this one. But I’ve done that at shoots in the past
too, where I’ve not gotten a cover. So I ended up, you know, continuing
gymnastics season that ended, and I was on family vacation at my grandma’s condo,
where it all started, which is funny. Where my social media blew up. >> Speaker 1: Wow.
>> Speaker 2: So there must be some good mojo there. >> Speaker 1: I think so. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So I was there on family vacation,
and my mom, my. My whole family knew that I
got the COVID They knew during the gymnastics season besides me,
and I was on family vacation. And they’re like, Sports Illustrated
wants to do an interview with you. I’m like, I’m on vacation, though. >> [LAUGH]
>> Like, a day like gymnastics has just ended. I was like, okay. Like, it’s fine. And my mom’s like, please do your makeup. Like, please, can you please do it? And I was like, why? And she’s like, you never know with Si. It could be on, like a. It could be on the screen at a Mets game. It could be. So I was like, okay,
fine, I’ll do my makeup. Did my makeup. I get on the call, and they then asked
me how I felt looking at each of these behind the scenes photos from your shoot. And I was like, okay,
like, tell us how you. How you felt in the moment. So I looked at some pictures and
I was like, no. This was the last shot of the day. It was really fun. The water was beautiful. We were vibing, we were dancing. And then they put the COVID on
the screen and they’re like, and what do you think of this one? And I was like, no way. I, like, I nearly fell out of my chair. And I was like, no way. And I started freaking out. My family all knew. >> Speaker 2: And
they were laughing their asses off. >> [LAUGH] Because they set you up. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, they knew all along. >> [LAUGH]
>> So thank you, mom, for making me do my makeup. >> [LAUGH]
>> Speaker 2: Because they were on screen, they were recording it. It was a recorded interview. Yes.
So it ended up just being one of the most authentic, special moments ever,
and it’s really changed my life. It’s such an honor because of so many. There’s so many icons and amazing women that have been on the covers
before me that paved the way for me, for. For all to align me being on the COVID So
I’m just so grateful. >> Speaker 1: Well, it’s amazing, and
so then you parlay that to the Runway. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Right. So tell us about that iconic split. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
So actually, this is the first summer that I am free. And here you are. This is the first summer where I don’t
have to train for gymnastics preseason. So I agreed to do Miami swim week, and
I’ve never done that before in the past, I’ve been offered to go every
single time I’ve shot with SI, and I’ve said no because of training and
stuff and different obligations. So I went to Miami. I had no clue what to expect. I’ve never walked on
a Runway a day in my life. I’ve only ever walked in my bedroom mirror
right after watching the Victoria’s Secret fashion show growing up. Like, I’ve like,
literally never walked a Runway. So I get to the rehearsal. You just do a quick run through
of the show real quick, literally two hours before the show. And they’re like, okay, Liv,
you’re opening the show. Shoot.
I’ve never even watched somebody walk down in person. >> Speaker 1: Do you think
maybe that was a blessing? >> Speaker 2: I think it was. So I got to open the show with a Sports
Illustrated T shirt on, which was. So cool. >> Speaker 2: And it was an iconic moment. And then I. I decided right after the rehearsal,
I remember I was. I was talking with my sister. I was consulting with only people
that I knew would agree with me. I was like, should I do a split? >> Speaker 1: Of course. [LAUGH]
>> You know the answer you wanna get. >> Speaker 2: I know, I-
>> [LAUGH] >> Yeah, and they were like, yeah. And they were like, yeah, they just go for it.
So I asked the head lady, mj, and she was like, honestly,
just have fun with it, because this is not an ordinary Runway.
This isn’t stoic, you know? And I’ve never walked down a Runway,
so I’m like, I kind of think dropping into a split
would be fun and show my athleticism and. >> Speaker 1: And be you. >> Speaker 2: Totally.
And I don’t think I’ve ever
seen anybody do it. And people, while, when watching
a fashion show like Sports Illustrated, want to see personality. They want to see movement. They want to see you having fun. The time of your life. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Because it
really was in the moment. I was so, so fun. >> Speaker 2: So great. >> Speaker 2: And, yeah,
I oiled myself up and dropped into a sled. >> Speaker 1: It’s amazing. It’s amazing.
>> Speaker 2: It was so much fun. >> Speaker 1: And I mean, and you just. You look amazing. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
I mean, really, I feel like it’s. >> Speaker 3: A very full circle moment
where you’re talking about, like, your childhood missing out on stuff. Right.
Because you’re working so hard to become this gymnast, and then you get these
insane opportunities later in life where you’re on vacation in Bermuda shooting for
the COVID and then you’re running. You’re on the. The Runway. Like, what a. >> Speaker 2: What a crazy. >> Speaker 3: Like, you sacrifice so
much and look where you are now. >> Speaker 2: Definitely. And I think one of the coolest
parts about that Runway show is the amount of girls they
are watching because really, social media are like,
like this fashion show is just for guys. No. Like, no, no, no. There were girls everywhere front row
Miami Swim Week was a huge deal, and I had no clue there
are girls that are watching. I’ve had so many girls come up to me,
way more girls than guys lately, talking about the Runway and
talking about women’s sports to me. And that makes my heart so happy
because I want girls to know that you don’t have to limit yourself to one thing. You could really do it all and
be successful in all areas, whether it’s, you know, your sport,
being an academic, all American, which I was fortunate enough to be. You can be on the COVID of Sports
Illustrated, be confident in your body, and drop into a split. You can do whatever you Want and
find success in whatever you want and be confident. So. And obviously, I’ve. I haven’t always been like this. I haven’t always just been
confident right off the bat. Gymnastics, you grow up in a leotard. That is so hard, and I’ve-
>> Speaker 1: Especially when you’re a teenage girl. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So it’s really hard growing up in
a leotard, having these eyes on you and having to feel perfect. And I did have a very big male audience at
the beginning of my college career, and that was hard. It was hard to feel like people
were watching me, judging me. I definitely have problems. Yeah, I definitely had some
problems with some body issues. And I think that’s something that not
a lot of people talk about with gymnasts, because you can. Like I said, you can just find success and
find in however you feel confident in. In any body shape that you are, because gymnastics is just one of
those sports where you have muscles. And people,
when I first started posting were like, I. Men were like,
I do not like those muscles. They would call me a linebacker. They would call me a football player. >> Speaker 1: Yeah,
that’s what you look like. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: So I was like, okay,
like, even if that is the case, then why are you commenting
on anyone’s body? >> Speaker 1: Right,
why are you looking, yeah. >> It was ridiculous. And I think one of the things
that taught me, and it was a timely process to learn to
love those muscles is when I did those si shoots and I greased my
body up and all the girls around me were hyping me up in that family dynamic,
and it was just so fun. And it was definitely. It was not overnight. So I want people to know that I didn’t
just decide one day that I was confident and drop into a split. That took a long time of
growing to love myself and the body that I’m in and
the muscles that I’ve worked so hard for. And I’ve accomplished so
many great things in this body. That was the moment where I. I dropped into a split and
I was like, yeah, I did that. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: You know, in our business,
in wwe, there, some of the guests that we’ve interviewed and that I had the
chance to interview on a different show have talked similarly about body issues,
about being worried they’re too muscular. Shoulders, biceps, you know, like,
muscles that a lot of girls don’t necessarily have, especially at a young
age, but that gymnasts seem to have and that, you know, some of our female
athletes also have had and struggled with. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And I feel so bad for us girls sometimes. Because it’s like no matter what we look
like, we struggle and judge ourselves. Whether we have a little extra weight or
we’re too muscular or whatever people are saying,
you know, it’s so hard. >> Speaker 2: It is. And I think that recognizing
that this is the body that you accomplished so many great things in. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: This is what God gave you, so you might as well flaunt it. And I mean,
I seriously have struggled live. Dabbled into Photoshop,
that’s definitely a touchy subject. And I know I’ve gotten a lot of
backlash because of that, and that’s because I truly was
not confident in myself. And I’ve grown so much from these times. It’s a normal thing. You can do it if you want. You don’t have to. I had such a hard time for a minute there
while I was blowing up, because so many people were making all these comments,
and I felt like I had to be perfect. And I think that it’s so
cool that so many girls, this was years ago, but now so
many girls are coming up to me and thinking that dropping into
a split on a runway is so cool. And being a badass athlete and being in
school and accomplishing all these things, it’s just so cool to see
the positive feedback from females. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: So I think that, yeah,
it’s just been so cool to watch my audience slowly change into what
it is now because there are so many young girls, and I just want
them to know that they can do it all. And body image stuff,
it does not change overnight. And that was really hard for me. And especially with Sports Illustrated, you don’t get to see those
pictures after they’re taken. Like, I mean, yeah, I can get a peek, but I don’t get to choose
what’s in the magazine. >> Speaker 1: Do you say,
can you just cover that up? >> [LAUGH]
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah. I was, like, so hard at first because
someone else is in control of, like, your destiny to be in a magazine. Like the COVID Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: So I didn’t get to, like, pick the COVID photo. I didn’t get to pick. I don’t get to see any of the Sports
Illustrated photos until they’re online with everybody else. And when it’s your Instagram,
you get to, like, pose and angle yourself the way that you
want in every single picture. And I think that learning that, okay,
I still look good in these photos, and I should love this because I’m
in freaking Sports Illustrated. And I.
I’ve accomplished so many great things in this body. So, yeah, I. I think that’s something that
took a lot of time to learn. But I’m very grateful that it got me to
the point where I’m at now because I’m. I’m happy with myself, and I. And I love the opportunities
that I get to have and the platform I get to have to
share these conversations. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen
a conversation really like this about. Gymnastics and your body and, yeah. Yeah, yeah. >> Speaker 2: And it’s what. Absolutely. And that’s your story. Right.
And that’s what inspires you. And I wanna ask you too,
and go as deep as you want, but you talk a lot about perfection and
single team sport, right? So you’re in control of your own destiny. I would believe you’re more
of a type A personality. And oftentimes there is so much pressure that we put ourselves
under when we’re of that mindset. And especially being in such
a high profile sport and being such a public
figure on social media. What are some of the key lessons that
you’ve learned and how did you learn them in terms of not having to be perfect or
your definition of perfection? >> Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I learned
that as soon as I got to college. Because going into college, everyone is
the best at where they’re coming from. So I was the best at my gym in New Jersey. I was one of the best
gymnasts in New Jersey. And all these amazing gymnasts come
to LSU in what used to be the best in whatever part of the country you’re from. Suddenly not the best when you have
all the best gymnasts in the country altogether. And I think that was a really
hard pill to swallow at first. I’m talking about like
gymnastics perfection right now. >> Speaker 2: Yep. >> Speaker 1: There’s so many good gymnasts that are on a D1
gymnastics team and you don’t always get. You don’t get to control
what the lineups are. So that was a very hard thing when
I first got to college because sometimes it isn’t always fair. And I mean, I feel like that and I know
that other gymnasts feel that way too. Of course it’s out of your control and you have to just let
the cards fall how they do. Like, sometimes you don’t make a lineup. Sometimes you are hurt and
that’s out of your control. And like you can’t be
perfect every single time. If you practice a routine and
it’s a little bit wrong, that could cost you a lineup. So it really. That was hard at first in college
because you’re not the best anymore. Everyone is so good. And I would say with social media,
it just took time and to learn to love myself because when you. It’s hard to scroll-
>> Speaker 2: Loving yourself is the hardest lesson to learn. >> Speaker 1: I mean, when you scroll,
I remember scrolling and growing up, it was like the Victoria’s Secret
fashion show. And models, like, those were the people
that I’d see online that were like famous. And it’s hard not to compare. And you truly can’t because what you
see all the time is not what you get. It really isn’t. Like, I mean, my Instagram feed is all
of my, you know, accomplishments and all these great moments in my life, whether
I’m, you know, at the College World Series posing with a hot dog or
like on the COVID with your cool jersey. It’s just you,
you have to learn to not compare either. I think that’s really important that it’s
usually just a highlight reel of all the great moments of your life. Social media. Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Not the,
not the upsetting ones. Right.
You don’t necessarily. I, I usually don’t share negative
content or like, like, I usually. That’s not my, my avenue. >> Speaker 2: Right.
>> Speaker 1: I know that some people do that and they share more vulnerable stuff,
which I’m learning. I did share a vulnerable moment about the,
about people coming to the airport and, you know,
stalking me down for autographs. And at every single airport
I would go to their people- >> I did see your post about that. >> Waiting for me, and that was like
a vulnerable thing for me because usually anytime I try to be vulnerable online,
I get really bad backlash. Because of the position I’m in. People are like, we don’t care. Like, but, but I think that was an
important message because there are some boundaries and they cross my boundary. So I spoke out about it and. >> Speaker 2: Have you ever. Has Sports Illustrated offered
to provide you with security? Has lsu? >> Speaker 1: I, I do have security. I just don’t travel with everywhere. >> Speaker 2: But
even if they met you at the airport. Cuz I understand what that’s like when
not at the fans accosting anybody, but they know the travel schedule. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And it is the craziest thing. And you were mentioning like even if you
are on a, you know, a flight where you stop somewhere and then you’re, you know,
you’re going on to your next destination, that this group of people or
there are people who are there and obviously you know there’s
some type of leak somewhere or someone hacked into the system or
whatever. But it’s, it’s important. You should definitely make sure you have. Even if it’s the airline itself that
has a representative that can meet you. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: It’s just really important. Your safety is really important. >> Speaker 1: Definitely.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Thank you very much. >> Speaker 2: No, of course. And you know, they’re telling us we have
to wrap, which I’m like, my God, I have so much great questions to ask you because
I think you have so much to offer. So I’d love to know, you know, as. As we’re wrapping this,
what you gave us a lot of lessons for young girls, but
if you could articulate, you know, to those young girls who really
look up to you, you know, and who do see your 8 million TikTok
followers and 5 million on Instagram, there’s a lot of people, you know,
and there’s a lot of opportunity. I bet you’re making more of an impact in
people’s lives than you even realize. The subtlest thing you do, even just giving words of encouragement
can change somebody’s whole life. So what are those parting words that first
you’d like to give to those young girls, and then what are the ones that you give,
that you want to give to those female college athletes, you know, all over
the country who are giving it everything that they have and who are finding
themselves suddenly in that position where they’re not the best or, you know,
at the level they thought they were, suddenly everybody’s the best,
and it’s that. That extra level. So what are those two different. The messages for
those two different audiences? >> Speaker 1: I would say to the younger
girls, I think I repeated it earlier, but you are more than your sport, truly. And that’s something that it’s really hard
to wrap your head around growing up when you’re surrounded by adults where this
is also, like, their livelihood and their passion, and that’s their job. So sometimes, you know,
if one thing goes wrong, it could feel like your life is ending. And that’s something
that I’m still trying to. >> Speaker 2: I bet you’re
freshly out of gymnastics. >> Speaker 1: Freshly out of gymnastics. And sometimes some things in sports feel,
like, detrimental, like. Like that. Like the world is over if you
make a mistake or if, you know, you want to go get a water or
do, like, the slightest thing. Like, sometimes in sports, you just have,
like, a feeling like you can’t. I don’t know, like. Like, I still wake up sometimes at
7am like, my God, did I miss weight? Like, everything feels life or death. So I would tell young girls that
you are more than your sport and. And take it easy, because there. There’s so much more to life than what
your performance is on a gymnastics mat or on a field or wherever it is. And I would say when you. When you get to college and
now dealing with nil and that whole crazy world,
surround yourself with people. People you trust. Because there’s a lot of crazy, shady
people that want to take advantage of, you know, young athletes that
don’t know what’s going on in nil. >> Speaker 2: Sure, sure. >> Speaker 1: It can be very shady. So I took my time finding the right agent. I didn’t just have an agent right away. After the NIL rule changed, I, you know, it took months to pick out
who I felt comfortable with. And I think that’s so
important is someone you trust. Yeah, I say no to more
things than I say yes to. >> Speaker 3: So it’s great. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. Surround yourself with people
that you trust and that you know. And. Yeah.
You don’t have to rush into everything because there are some
shady people in the NIL world. >> Speaker 2: I.
I just know you have so much more. How much time do we have? Because I think you have something. Yeah, yeah. >> Speaker 3: Before we
just have to [CROSSTALK]. >> Speaker 2: I’m sorry, this is for
fanatics that I have to get. So we saw you at the College World Series
and you were rocking the LSU and then the Pirates jersey on the back, which
I didn’t even get to ask you about Paul, but we know you’re a die hard LSU fan. So our friends at fanatics want to ask, what is your Mount Rushmore of
LSU jerseys across all sports? Man.
>> It’s such an unfair question. I hate the Mount Rushmore question for
myself. >> Speaker 1: I’m gonna
start with Haley Bryant. She’s my best friend and
was one of my teammates at lsu. Go of gymnastics. She is an icon. I love her. And she’s like,
has the most all American titles ever. So she’s going on the Mount Rushmore. I would say Mondo Duplantis. He is a track runner that constantly is
setting records, breaking world records. Olympic champion, really nice guy. He’s going on the Mount Rushmore. Man. >> Speaker 2: Two more, two more. >> Speaker 1: I would say Joe Burrow,
have to go with him, obviously, you have to. And [LAUGH] I can’t decide
between Paul and Shaq. >> Speaker 2: Go with Paul. Go with Paul. And I’ll say I have to go with Paul. >> Speaker 1: I have to go with Paul. Sorry, Shaq, but
I have to because for many reasons. >> Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Livy. This is just phenomenal. I love the message that
you have in general. Be yourself. Be proudly yourself. You’re more than your sport. You’re more than how people see you and
embrace all sides of you and know that perfection is a living,
breathing thing. And nobody’s ever going
to be completely Perfect. No matter what you try to do. So just try to be the best
you can possibly be. >> Speaker 1: Exactly that. Thank you guys so much. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. >> Speaker 1: Thank you. >> Speaker 2: Clearly, we’re wearing
different clothing, but that’s okay. >> Speaker 3: Mine’s like
a very discreet outfit. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
I mean, really subtle. Yeah. Do you want to do the gender reveal? >> Speaker 3: The food baby. >> Speaker 2: That’s her line. Actually I stole it. >> Speaker 3: Our colors. I’m not. >> Speaker 2: They got it right away. They didn’t have to explain. Joke’s not funny. You have to explain it. They laughed. >> Speaker 3: That’s what I do. They popped for you. >> Speaker 2: It’s my joke. I know.
That’s what I said. I stole your line. I did.
I totally did. Any good line is worth stealing. How’s that? >> Speaker 3: Okay, what are we doing? >> Speaker 2: We’re talking about pretty
much this week, but I think, you know, Olivia Dunn,
who we had the opportunity to interview. >> Speaker 3: Livvy. >> Speaker 2: Livvy Dunne. And she’s. I mean, she’s amazing. She really is. And it’s so interesting to me to hear
all of these people at the top of their game and especially athletes, I think. And we’ve, you know, obviously
interviewed majority of athletes, but it’s how what they do defines them. And with Livy Dunn, she just finished her
gymnastics career, like 20, 25 this year. So that’s a very hard transition
when suddenly you’re no longer doing the sport that you were defined or
that you felt defined by. And it was her aunt who really
helped her get through that. And the main takeaway she kept having over
and over was your more than your sport. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
I mean, obviously never competing at her level, but like playing sports
my whole life through college, when you get hurt and on, you know,
on a different level, but you get hurt and you lose that opportunity,
even for a game. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 3: Mentally, you know, if you really care about the sport
you’re doing or what you’re doing, it crushes you. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 3: And to hear her say,
like, she had to stop and think I’m more than my sport. And I wish someone told
college Elise that or. It’s a.
It’s a very important. >> Speaker 2: Elise is a two
sport collegiate athlete. Soccer and softball. Yeah. And then got her MBA while holding down,
like three different jobs. >> Speaker 3: I was. I was sleeping in the car to take
a nap outside of Gillette Stadium because I was working. I wanted to work at the ticket office. I was just trying to get in. >> [LAUGH] And anything. >> Speaker 3: Like, I’m touching
Rob Ninkovich’s family’s tickets. You’re like, I’m gonna go,
this weirdo, stage five. >> Speaker 2: Maybe you
shouldn’t interview Tom Brady. I told you. >> Speaker 3: Listen,
I feel that I kept it pretty cool. >> Speaker 2: You have for Gronk. You did. >> Speaker 3: But yesterday, I. I almost passed out when I saw him
in the distance, which is weird. In the moment, when you were meeting him, I got a little weak in the-
>> Speaker 2: When I had the chance to shake his hand. >> Speaker 3: And what did you say to him? >> Speaker 2: Let’s see. So he did the WWE entrance, and
then he got tackled by Eli Manning. >> Speaker 3: Yes.
>> Speaker 2: And I said, that’s probably story of your life. And then we were talking about
the contest, because here at Fanatics, they have this incredible contest. It’s like 10 different activations. WWE Superstar entrance is one of them, and
it’s fans and athletes competing together. And of course,
Tom Brady’s currently number one, I mean. But so, I made that joke, too. I was like, well, Tom Brady, of course. Of course you’re the goat. Of course you’re number one. And then I said, I’m sure that’s
the story of your life, too. >> Speaker 3: And he loved it. >> Speaker 2: Well, he laughed. I don’t know.
He loved it. >> Speaker 3: He loved it.
>> Speaker 2: It could have been a polite chuckle, really. No.
>> Speaker 2: He might not have even heard what I said. >> Speaker 3: No, he heard you. He didn’t hear me because I was. >> Speaker 2: You were
behind in the distance. Yeah.
>> Speaker 3: Sweating, back to more than your sport. Yes, but being more than your sport. I mean, and I imagine Tom Brady, even that we don’t know necessarily
all of the things that went down, but he retired and then unretired, you know,
and then came back to play for Tampa Bay. And what did he go through? Clearly, he wasn’t ready
to say goodbye yet. >> Speaker 2: Right.
>> Speaker 2: And he tried that on. He thought he was ready. The announcement got out, and
then he was like, my God, I’m not. I’m not done. Yeah.
>> Speaker 3: And I mean, and Gronk, Randy, all these different people we’ve
met with people you’ve talked to during Stephanie’s places. Like, you hear that same message of,
like, who am I without this. >> Speaker 2: This. >> Speaker 3: My identity? You know, in a sport or in a. >> Speaker 2: Whatever it is. Criss Angel. Right?
Who is he without magic, right? >> Speaker 3: You know,
everyone has something that they. You know, especially these people. >> Speaker 2: What’s Dom
without In N Out burger. >> Speaker 3: Married. >> Speaker 2: Well, well done. Well done. Yes. >> Speaker 3: I feel good about that. >> Speaker 2: That was good,
that was a good one. But, you know, Livy is Just, she’s so
well put together at such a young age, you know, and she’s lived through
a lot that I think, you know, people don’t necessarily know. Like when she was saying, people don’t
know I competed for Team usa, like, that should have been the number one. Exactly. And she was so proud and so
proud to have represented her country. And when she said my ankle bone died,
which we did ask her about, and then it killed my Olympic career,
she then erupted in laughter. But I was like, ooh,
is that a defense mechanism? Or is she just really. That was a moment, and
she was just making fun of herself. But it’s like that’s. She’s such a remarkable,
accomplished young woman. Right.
I sound like my mother to say young woman. I mean, I am not a young woman,
but Livy Dunn is. >> Speaker 3: She is. Let me riz you up real quick. >> Speaker 2: I don’t think
you should use that word. Okay. >> Speaker 3: See, but now you don’t
feel like your mother anymore. I made you forget. >> Speaker 2: Maybe it’s worse. But anyway, I was gonna say,
though, she was. She seems very self aware
at such a young age. Like, she’s learned so much about herself,
what she had to overcome, and. And she’s just thriving now. >> Speaker 2: I think she’d be
an excellent WWE Superstar. I mean, I’m just saying. >> Speaker 3: You heard it here first. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.