Maverick McNealy joins for the first time. We discuss reshaping his game to win on Tour, playing his first Masters week, and preparations for the upcoming links golf stretch. Before Mav, the crew talks 4th of July weekends, Frankie’s colonoscopy, Riggs’ run of YouTube golf matches including the highly-anticipated $25k match, Max Homa surging at the John Deere, and much more.
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We got a nice show for you today, everybody. It’s all brought to you by Chevy. But we got the whole gang back together. Myself, Frankie, and Trent. We’re talking Fourth of July fireworks. We’re talking a video series, The Haters, a 25K match. We got Maverick McNeely on the show. We got a phenomenal voicemail. Trent has met Baby Frankie and baby Rory May. So, we got just a nice show today. And it’s all brought to you by the great folks at Chevrolet and the Equinox EV. Yeah, it’s a great show today. Post Fourth of July. We were all pretty busy over the weekend. We I was driving Chevys around when I was in New York. It’s just it’s a packed show and yeah, we got a guest, we got stories, we got phone calls, we got everything. We got a colonoscopy recap. It’s it’s a hell of a show. Yeah, an American weekend leading into a nice week of golf here. I’m going to play some golf this week. I’m excited to drive some Chevys when we’re on the road. Also, we’re going on the road next week, which I’m excited about. Let’s go, baby. No better time than the present. We got a very cool road trip coming up. People aren’t going to believe that one. And again, we’ll be ripping around the western part of the United States of America in uh Chevy Equinox EV offers 319 mi of EPA estimated electric range with front-wheel drive. Leave the driving to Equinox EV show up to the course energized. Equinox EVs also got a massive 17in diagonal center screen, the largest of any EV in its class. When it comes to EVs, Equinox EV is the smartest choice you can make. I posted a picture of baby Frankie yesterday or two days ago and the amount of people that said it looked like he looked like Trent was alarming. Listen, I posted this picture and everyone says that’s just Trent Ryan. Not you know I I listen I’m willing to take any test that you want. It’s Were you in Were you in freaking Ireland 12 months ago? Whenever it was snuck in the hotel room. No. No. That baby is not mine. [Music] Foreplay presented by Bar School Sports. We are back. It is July 8th, 2025. Uh, happy 4th of July, everyone. I got to be honest, I didn’t get to say that cuz I I haven’t been on a podcast in forever. I haven’t podcasted in a long time. We had last week we were off we were off the second half of the week because of Fourth of July. And then like the two weeks before that, I feel like I was doing the Barst Classics on the West Coast. So, I was as we were firing this bad boy up today, we got Xbox Frankie here. I just like was like, I don’t think I’ve podcast in forever. So, I never got to say happy 4th of July, but happy 4th of July to everybody out there. We’re not the most technically savvy uh group of guys here. So, I mean, I’ve got three microphones in my hand right now. None of them work. All three of these that you’re looking at right here on the screen on our YouTube page do not work. A lot of equipment, ton of money, uh in these three right here. Um, what the problem is is that the little USB ports on these are so delicate. They’re like a dainty little flower. What did uh what did um what did Sir Nick Faldo call me when I didn’t want to take the scotch? Was it a delicate flower? A delicate little flower. Um, so if you move these any when you guys were doing your little bit, you guys were doing your Imagine Dragons bit that whole time. That’s right. It’s so funny, too, cuz ever since then, like I didn’t drink any bourbon or scotch, nothing. And ever since then, I I now enjoy that stuff. I think it was probably our trip to Scotland that really kicked it off and then our trip to Kentucky that really Bonah home. Was it Bon Haven? That’s Bonah Haven. That stuff was unreal. Unbelievable. Um, but yeah, no, I I really didn’t want to drink that scotch with him. I was like afraid of it and uh he called me a delicate little flower. But anyway, long story short, all the mics aren’t working. So, I took my Xbox One uh that I play PJ Tour 2K25 with and it seems to be working. So, happy 4th of July to everyone. Hopefully everyone stayed safe and healthy and happy and we all had a great weekend and I know I did. A lot of fireworks, a lot of hot dogs, a lot of lot of burnt patties on the grill when people aren’t paying attention to them. Uh, it’s real good. Yeah, happy Fourth of July weekend or or post Fourth of July weekend. I had a good weekend. I I came and saw Baby Frankie. Uh, got to meet baby Frankie for the first time, which was it was great. You know, you know, he took a little bit for him to warm up to me. I think Frankie would admit that as well. There was some crying and some frowny faces when when Uncle Trent walked through the door. Yeah, but we eventually got there. You know, probably not a reaction that Uncle Trent’s used to getting from anybody. You know, I’ll be and I’ll be honest, I do pretty good with babies. Like I I’ve got cousins and and all that and like they’re all when they were really small, they were all like, “Oh, we like Uncle Trent.” So I walked through the door with my head held high. I’m like, “I’m going to this is going to be easy. Like I’m just going to hold this baby. He’s going to smile. People are going to be like, “You’re great with kids.” Immediately started crying as soon as I got him in my arms. So we eventually he started smiling and we had a good time but it was rough at first. Yeah. No, you saw all the emotions. I mean when he’s very comfortable it’s and then you start like passing him around. He starts to like get a little bit agitated. He’s like why are you taking me away from where I was just comfortable and now you’re handing me to this to this Trent? You know what I mean? Like why am I now in Trent’s arms when I was just sleeping 10 seconds ago? So yeah, we definitely went through the highs and lows with him. But uh overall I think it was a pretty good experience. I posted a picture of baby Frankie yesterday or two days ago and the amount of people that said it looked like he looked like Trent was alarming. Listen, I posted this picture and everyone says that’s just Trent Ryan. Not you know I I listen I’m willing to take any test that you want. It’s Were you in Were you in freaking Ireland 12 months ago? Whatever it was snuck in the hotel room. No. No. That baby is not mine. And also this Fourth of July weekend, first of all, I went to the esteemed restaurant Bllisi’s out on Long Island, which was great. I saw Mr. I saw everybody. Everybody was there. Everybody. What’ you get? What’ you go with? I got the chicken. It was fantastic. It’s hanging in the rafters at Chicken. Frankie’s parents were there. Uh his in-laws were there and Brendan Jones was there with Rory. And I got to meet Rory, too. So, I met every foreplay podcast baby this weekend. And it was a real it was a real treat. Hell of a time. Hell of a time. But yeah, I got to meet I got to meet the babies this weekend. Was the Rory May reception better than Baby Frankie reception to trip? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it really was. Yeah. I think they maybe they got to get get a little bit older and they’re like, “All right, I’m more comfortable maybe around people, strangers like Frankie was saying.” But yeah, the meeting with Rory went great. She’s a very cute baby. They both are very bouncy, very just lovable. We were having the time of our lives with baby Rory. Um, no. Bellles was jumping on Fourth of July weekend. I mean, my dad got a fivepiece band and it was supposed to be all outside on the patio and it started to rain and thunderstorm. So, we had to bring the five piece band inside the restaurant. I’m talking full band, drums, bass guitar, two league guitarist, a singer, keyboardist. I’m talking like it may have been a seven piece band now that I start to do the math. And we walked in with our baby, you know, just hadn’t even turned 8 weeks old yet. So, we’ve been pretty like taking him out everywhere trying to get him acclimated with noises and like we it’s almost like second baby. So, he’s almost like the second baby because we’ve got baby Jack. Um, you know, it’s our godson, but like we’re always just doing stuff now. So, it’s like we got to take Frankie with us. We take an bang, we’re hit with like trumpets and trombones and bases. I I looked at my dad, I’m like, “Bro, how loud is it in here?” People couldn’t even have a conversation. They weren’t even able to talk. If you were right across the table from someone, you couldn’t even speak. My dad’s like, “I don’t know that.” I think my dad said they’re jumping is what he said. I’m like this is a restaurant. He’s like a what do you want me to do? It’s the rain. So I looked at Tread. I’m like this is the Burilia’s experience. Like this is this is a 70-year-old restaurant where the air conditioning was like bumping as hard as it could cuz he had 300 people in there. It was packed to the gills wall to wall and you had a band just blaring. That’s life. I’m like holy [ __ ] Like this is crazy. Um, and finally my dad went over and turned I mean they just they had one of the speakers on as loud as it could be. I’m like they got to turn it down. We’re not playing at the [ __ ] Apollo tonight. It was loud for sure. And your dad I could tell he was nervous about it because as soon as I got there and I went on over and I said hello, he explained it all to me like immediately. He’s like, “Well, it was raining outside. This all supposed to be, you know, it’s supposed to be outside and it’s really loud.” But yeah, then they turned it down. But they also played incredible music. They were really good. They were a really really good band and they were playing the oldies and everybody, you know, everyone that I could see seemed to be having a good time. But Bellis, man, that place was buzzing. Yeah, it was good. It was a fun weekend. My dad loves it when the people are all there and you get to see family and stuff and then the fireworks happened and it was good. It was just uh you know, like I said, 70 years. It’s fun that like for 70 Fourth of July we get to go to Bellis and generations of people get to just go there, have Italian food, listen to music, and watch fireworks. Pretty cool. Well, well, that’s what was cool. I think I know baby or baby Frankie had been in the restaurant, but was that the first time he’d been there like when there were a bunch of people there because he was a mini celebrity in that place. First time like seeing a lot of the regular customers. We walked him around. It it it was what you would expect Frank Burley the fourth first entrance to be at like all the people in all the booths as we walked to our table in the back getting up taking pictures of them. You know, you got people that have been going there for 50 years. is they’re sitting in booth, you know, we call it section one, booth 12, like sitting right there. They’ve been sitting there every Saturday for the last 50 years. They see Frankley the fourth coming. They know Frank really one, two, three, and now they see four. It’s a whole thing. So, like you got to bring the baby to the bartender who hadn’t seen him yet. The waiter, the hostess, everyone hadn’t seen him yet. So, it was fun. Was it like Siri Cruz? That was like the most famous baby in history for a while. Tom Cruz’s baby. Yeah. Uh, that’s lovely. In New York, you can’t uh New York, you guys don’t fire off your own fireworks, right? We do. Uh it’s definitely not legal, but I mean, it’s a war zone out here. We walked him around our our neighborhood and it was like we were looking for the fireworks like see where they were firing them off and we walked him outside and it was like right over our heads and he jumped out of the freaking stroller. It was like I was like we are in a war zone. But it’s not as uh Yeah, it’s definitely like the local police officer on the block usually like will do it. You know what I mean? like you just know that they know someone and that’s why they’re able to set them off. It’s funny like being back home in Missouri for Fourth of July. I was in St. Louis with all my family and friends. It was great. Played a bunch of golf and we did fireworks multiple nights but especially Friday night 4th of July and it truly is a war zone and you forget when you’re not in that environment, you know, cuz I don’t do every Fourth of July there, but being there, being in the neighborhood, you got to have your head on a swivel, man. I mean, any given driveway within, you know, whatever 20 houses, there’s people just sitting out there in lawn chairs, firing at random, right? It’s like there’s no real order to it. And it some people are sending out huge like finale type fireworks early. Some people are waiting later. There’s like sparklers going off and it truly felt like a war zone the entire time. You don’t know where they’re coming, when they’re coming, and and they malfunction a decent amount of the time. So, I mean, people were like, “Oh, heads up.” and they’re like shooting fireworks sideways and [ __ ] Overall, awesome watching like the kids. Um, you know, my brother and his kids, couple of our other uh friends had their kids out there. Kids get so giddy for fireworks, but also are rightfully so terrified of them. So, it’s like they want to be out there near when you’re like lighting the wick, but then they sprint away as fast as possible, and then when they go off, everybody’s jumping and giddy. So, Fourth of July really is an incredible time, but fireworks are nuts, man. I I’m looking and like your whole feed now is covered obviously with all the problems of the world and all the horrible tragedies that are going on, but especially that two-day stretch. It’s just like this explosion at this fireworks center here, this explosion at that fireworks center there. You really It’s like we’re all just shooting off like miniature missiles all around the country for like two days straight and then we just never do it again the whole rest of the year. So things inevitably go wrong. So, I like fireworks, but man, they are pretty [ __ ] scary when they like when they’re going off. I’m very pro- firework. We did the same thing. We were lighting them off. I don’t think that I don’t think they are illegal in New York, but that, you know, nobody’s they’re not coming over and being like, “Hey, stop doing that.” But I will say, for me personally, as soon as 11:00 p.m. hits and I’m getting into bed, I’m like, I’ve got my hands in my hips. If I hear one at like 11:07, I’m like, “Hey, let’s let’s tone it down a little bit, boys and girls.” And then they’ll be setting them off at midnight and then I’m really like that’s how I know I’m getting old because the fireworks if they go off too late I start to get aggravated. And that is something that was not the case when I was a youth because I was probably the one setting them off at 12:30 at night. But now once that 11 p.m. strikes, I’m ready to like stand on my front porch and yell at somebody. Oh yeah. I mean they were going forever on Long Island. It felt like it was like 1:00 a.m. 2 a.m. You still heard the booms. It was crazy. The night before Saturday for sure. Uh what was it? was it was Friday. Friday was 4th of July. Thursday night they started to go and it’s like what are we doing? We’re not even there yet. It’s not even the weekend yet. So, um actually I went to my buddy’s house and we brought the baby all the babies were there then. So, we ended up leaving at like 7 or 8:00 and I saw Snapchat start to roll in at like 1:00 a.m. They were setting them off in their front yard at 1:00 a.m. And I I looked at it with disgust. I’m like that those neighbors got to [ __ ] hate them right now. 1:00 on Saturday. No way, man. Come on. Imagine like you’ve you’ve gotten past it. It’s past 11 on Saturday. You did Thursday, Friday, Saturday. And all of a sudden, you got these guys out there sending out freaking dynamite. Come on. No, you can’t do that. You can’t. I It makes me look back on my youth because we would They weren’t legal in Iowa. They weren’t legal in Iowa, but me and my buddy Mike would drive to Missouri, speaking of rigs, and we would buy them on the border and come back. And we, Dude, it wouldn’t even be Fourth of July. It would just be like a random Friday night at 2:00 a.m. and we would just light a bunch of firecrackers and it was the most fun thing in the world. But now as you get older, it’s like you’re torturing your neighbor. Yeah. Letting off Roman candle and the whole thing and you’re like there had to be some humans and certainly dogs who are like what what’s happening? What is what’s going on? So yeah, dude. We bought we went and bought our whole aotment on Wednesday night right when I landed in St. Louis. And then when we got home, you know, the whole way home, kids are like, can we shoot them off? Can we show them off? We’re like, all right, we can we’ll shoot off. you could shoot off two fireworks each person, you know, and that ends up being like eight fireworks each person. So then Wednesday night, it wasn’t late, but it’s still 9:00 at night or 10 o’clock at night on a Wednesday and we’re just firing off 20 fireworks for no reason. And you’re just like, “Yeah, you can’t help it, man. People love the fireworks, but they are [ __ ] scary. They are just scary in general.” I, you know, like I get We had this one. It was the It was the King Arthur was the big finale one and it was a 12-pack and you It came with its own, you know, like uh rocket launching pipe and tube and then you put each one in individually. It came with two different tubes so you could shoot two at the same time. And when it launched, like the ground shook, you know, it was like doo and then it would take three or four seconds and then boom, it’s like a huge explosion. You’re like this is [ __ ] crazy. steal team six for like 24 hours. It’s like it’s a mortar shell. It’s just like Yeah. And then you wait for it to Yeah. It’s It’s really fun though, you know. Shout out to America. Greatest country in the world. It is fun. It is fun. Um all right, a couple administrative things. We got Maverick McNeely on this podcast. Sneaky number 16 in the world in the official World Golf rankings. um you know, incredible sort of a very unique backstory and every time they play the AT&T Pebble Beach ProAm, they always highlight the fact that that’s where he’s from. I believe his dad’s like a billionaire yet. Um really, really impressive player. Had like an insane amateur career, Stanford, and then not as, you know, sharp maybe coming out as he would like and then all a sudden starting to ramp up. He’s inside the top 12 in US RDER Cup points as of right now. He got his first win in the fall. He uh flies himself. He’s got got his pilot’s license. He doesn’t fly everywhere, but he he flies himself. So, we talked quite a bit about that. Talked about his turnaround. He was outside the top 100 in the world as of last fall and then has ramped up into the conversation for making the RDER Cup team. Um, and has had some very impressive, you know, finishes, a win, all that over the last year. So, Maverick McNeely joins the show for the very first time. Uh, and then this week’s video, we’ve got Jersey Jerry. Jersey Jerry is back. Uh, he’s trying to break a 100. He’s actually in his home state. So, this will be his first attempt in New Jersey. Uh, trying to break a 100. I believe Frankie, you were there out there with him. Yeah, it’s my first video back in a while, feels like. So, it was nice to be back with Jersey Jerry um in Jersey. He had great vibes and it’s really hard, as we say, to promote Breaking 100s. I’ll just say that Jersey Jerry has gotten phenomenal. Like, his his progress has been phenomenal. Overwatch. This guy just started playing golf two years ago, like swinging his first golf club just to like pick it up. And what he does in this uh in this episode is pretty shocking, I would say. So, that’s as much as I can go into. I think it’s a mustwatch. Jersey Jerry trying to break 100. I I’ll I’ll put that on there. I just love being with him and I I can’t wait for this video to come out. Yeah, I saw Jerry play for the first time in a while a week and a half ago at the RDER Cup and he was massively improved, I would say, from the last time that I saw him out there playing. He hits drives like 285. He hits a 285 with a baby cut right down the middle and you look at him, you’re like, that’s just got to be god-given talent that you’re able to just pick that up and just do that cuz that is not an easy accomplishment when you just started playing the game of golf. It’s one thing I’m not able to do. I know that I can’t hit a 280 B. You know, I can’t. It’s like, no matter how hard I swing, I can only hit it so far. Fades like bombs. When he when you tell him you’re free up on the left, like, oh, you’ve got no you’ve got no out of bounds on the left. There’s no trees. Like, just bomb it up the left side and he can just do that Trent kind of fade where he knows he can let loose on one. The ball goes forever. It makes you laugh out loud. He hits it so hard. It is. It is crazy. And I think he’s been playing a lot. I think I see he posts a lot now. It’s getting nicer in Chicago. I think he’s out there a decent amount. So, his game is definitely improved. Played with his Indian. He’s got the bug. He’s got the bug. You can tell he’s like he’ll call you. He’ll FaceTime me and be like, “Rigzy, this shot. How do I hit this shot? I’m not sure.” You know, and then he’s got the new putting green in his backyard. So, it’s one thing to film the videos for content, but I do love he’s like obsessed with golf. He had Yeah, you said I saw him out there with family and friends. He was posting on his Instagram story. So, I love that Jerry’s like obsessed with the game. He’s a guy, you know, you might not have pegged it as Jerry is a guy that we could recruit over to the golf world, but he’s obsessed with the game. Speaking of YouTube, I just want to give a shout out to our guy Rigs Barto Stoolto. It’s unbelievable. He’s He’s just put the YouTube channel on his goddamn back. I I He’s put out a bunch of videos, bunch of haters. Haters has been rolling the $25,000 match that’s been out for a few days, but we’re looking at 520,000 530,000 450,000 470,000. Bro, unbelievable. It’s It’s been a real joy to watch. And again, it’s just you and some random guy. And I remember when, you know, back when Breaking a 100 was, you know, really rolling when we had just started it and like it would get 250,000 views a week. And we were like, man, that and Rigs would always say like, “That’s cool. There’s like 250,000 people who are just watching. It’s like a TV show essentially. Every week 250,000 people tune in.” Bro, you’ve put out a video every week for 6 weeks and it gets at least 450,000 views. I just I just had to I just had to bring that up because it’s an incredible run that you’re on. No, I appreciate that. I’m very appreciative of the support. I I would say as a guy that hasn’t always gotten a ton of positive support, the amount of messages, even comments, especially on the Vinnie video, uh seeing people at the airport, we always talk about the airport test and people just coming up left and right like they’re loving it and then you see it in the numbers. definitely a little bit of uh help soften the blow of a guy sitting here that’s just $25,000 less valuable as a human being. Um so we could kind of go through and talk about that one a little bit. But overall, yeah, no, it’s been a great run. A huge shout out to Jonesy, to Tims, to Jared, to all the guys that go out and film because we got our own little side group text and they’ve just been buzzing every time it comes out with like, “Dude, it’s on pace to kill it again.” And so at the end of the day, it is like our job to kind of get views and yeah, you never know how stuff’s going to turn out when you go out there. It’s not like golf’s not a thing that I’m naturally very good at, as people clearly know. And so go out there and put your game out there, you really have no idea when you show up what’s going to happen. There’s a lot of formats that we do that other groups do where you could kind of hide to be honest with you on any given day. Like you’re out there in like a scramble, you’re out there in even an alternate shot, you could kind of like get away with chopping it around and just put your game out there, show up. We have no idea what the like credit to Vinnie honestly. Vinnie is like the best thing ever happened to him. That guy people legit were so they wanted me to beat him so badly and he you know it just kind of channels like the one thing that I really am is just I’m freakishly competitive. I love to compete and so I almost think it just helps me like when you get me in those environments I probably am more likely to play well because I just lock in. I want to beat people so badly and Vinnie I wanted to beat more than anyone in the world. And I had I had uh two different guys this weekend randomly walk by me and just go don’t be a Vinnie out there today no matter what. Uh but no, I appreciate that and yeah, it’s been a wild run. The the uh there’s four the last five weeks I think is just putting out a video of me playing against somebody at golf and see how it goes. So I do I appreciate that support. Like becoming shrewd it. You say don’t be a Vinnie. It’s like when uh when Andy said people people are walking around they’re saying oh he shrewed it when when he when when they mess something up. You cannot become a Vinnie on the golf course. So, no, it’s been incredible to watch. Like we we always talk about it. Like it’s really hard to find original video series that like people will become invested in. And this is definitely one regardless of like you know what other people will say or whatever like about your game or what or about us as a group. Like people are invested in you beating internet trolls. Whatever they that’s just a fact. You know, numbers never lie. They are. and the fact that it’s all built up to the 25k match and the way that that went down. It’s like it’s just it’s a really good ride right now. Hopefully it continues. Like I hope that you keep doing them like cuz this is uh people are legitimately invested in it and it is the best thing that’s ever happened to you. We said that three years ago when we came up with the idea at that tailor made uh shoot. We were doing the stripe and we stood on that tea forever. Remember that they wanted us out there at like 8 a.m. and we didn’t film our bit till like 5:00 p.m. It was crazy. And we’re standing there and we’re like trying to come up with ideas and we’re like ah like you know this is like we need to find something for Rigs in the fact that like he doesn’t get that moment in all the other videos. It’s like me and Trenton breaking series and then we do the group videos and then like Rigs is always the one that like they’ll pinpoint like if he didn’t play well. It’s like that’s the reason that a team lost. Like it was just getting it was like pigeon holed into like the negativity and it’s like you need something. And he’s like, “What if I just came out and like I played all these [ __ ] losers that like won’t stop messaging me were like that’s [ __ ] unbelievable.” And to see it actually flourish and succeed is insanely insanely satisfying. It’s so good. It’s so so good. I I agree. I’m very I appreciate that. And yeah, I mean there was a stretch maybe a year or two years ago, I can’t remember when that was. Maybe it was a year ago when you guys did the uh you guys did the trip with Francis and Jerry where you guys went across the Midwest, the RV trip. Yeah. And I was just getting a lot of messages that were like, “Is Rigs even on the channel anymore? Like what is he doing? He’s like not on there.” Where it’s like at that stretch I was just doing Barcelics, like we’re all in sometimes, we’re out sometimes, but at that stretch it was like not playing well, not in as many videos. And it was like where am I going with this stuff? And so to see it, like you said, like I think Kyle was was texting us, Kyle Tims just being like the summer of rigs and just sending screenshots of the views. And so yeah, to see people watching them, investing in him. I had Garrett Clark who we respect the [ __ ] out of that guy. That guy’s one of the best at what we do that there is and he text me on the side last week and was just like this is the only video series in our whole space that I’m glued to every single shot win or lose. Like I can’t get enough of it. So that meant a lot. So yeah, I appreciate people watching it. I have no intention of stopping. If anything, like I’ll say after the way the 25k match went down, I don’t know how like Rory Mroy or Mito Pereira like go on with their lives after you just have like such a heartbreak. There hasn’t been a night that I haven’t like legitimately had a nightmare about the shots and how like and you know I I’ll say like golf giveth and golf taketh away. It was like I’m in this time matrix too with the release. Me and Jonesy were talking about this a lot, which is just the nature of what we do, but it’s like we filmed those hater matches one, two, three. So, it was like Philly, Kyle, then it was Andy the Oyster Fama, and then it was Vinnie. And it was like back to back to back at the end of April, we filmed those. And then those just started coming out like 3 weeks ago or so. And then in that time, like right after the second one came out, I was the Thursday of US Open Week when I lost $25,000. So then over the next two days or two weeks, all the public stuff is like, “Way to [ __ ] beat that guy.” And all I’m thinking in my head is like, “No, no, I just I just shot 90 with a quad triple finish to lose $25,000 by a stroke.” And I’m taking victory laps online because I just beat this other guy that came out. So the time matrix part of it has been crazy. But I will just say that golf giveth and golf taketh away. You fire 75 against uh Andy and everybody’s like, “All right, he can actually do it.” Then you come out against Vinnie, shoot even par from the tips, one over through 12 holes, beat him seven and six. Everyone’s like, “God, this guy’s buzzing.” And then you finish quad triple and shoot 90 to lose 25 grand by a stroke the next video. So it’s just like that’s just golf. It is what I think that encapsulates the argument that we’ve been having for years with the handicap police where they think if you’re a four, you’re going to go out there and you’re going to shoot 7576 every single round. And that’s just not how it works. And that’s not how golf works. I know we don’t have to get into the whole handicap thing, but like that’s just [ __ ] you’ll put up a good number and a bad number and then it all evens out as you keep going. More people are starting to come around to the fact that like the comments just don’t understand the system and we’ve been talking about that for like six years. Like one guy that got a lot of up votes in the comments was like, “No one understands also that there’s no metric to like playing a different course under pressure every single day is is essentially what Rigs is doing.” True. Or he’s showing up to seven different courses, playing seven different people and you’re getting seven different scores. Like if you were a course handicap 9 at a certain place, like there’s no saying that like there’s no metric that says like, “All right, yeah, uh uh um on your best day, you would shoot like an 81, but now all of a sudden you’re playing with five cameras for $25,000 and you’re playing posit where it’s like, all right, like where what what’s what’s the average score there now? Is it 86? And then like are you supposed to play your average score every single time you’re on camera? Like there is it’s very very difficult to do the [ __ ] math. It’s just at the end of the day, it’s like people just want to see good golf. And if you play bad golf, they’re going to get on you. If you play good golf, they’re going to be like, “That’s what you’re supposed to do.” They just don’t understand what the system actually is. The handicap system is such [ __ ] It’s honestly stupid. Like, I I hate talking about it. So, I [ __ ] hate it. I agree. I think it’s a I think it’s like really pointed out to the people that like if you’re a member of a club a lot where you play in member guests or member members and the handicaps are very prevalent. Everybody talks about it. Everybody’s sitting in the grill and they kind of know this guy’s this handicap, this guy’s that handicap. Everybody does kind of agree the handicap system is a little ridiculous, but there I don’t know that there’s like a much better way to do it, but it’s like my average score for the year this year is a 80.9 and I’m a four handicap index currently. That’s just what it is. I don’t and I had this conversation with Vinnie where it’s like do you understand how crazy this is from my vantage point that like I’ve just been telling the truth the whole time and I don’t and I said to him I don’t claim anything. There’s there’s an application that claims what a handicap is, right? I put in the numbers exactly what I shoot based on the parameters that they tell me to. There’s an ESC system which is like if you make a net triple or whatnot, it goes in as a double which I just put all the scores in. The app does it all itself. It spits out a number. And so I agree that I think that it like everyone that knows and knows a lot of different people that play golf at a certain handicap knows anybody who’s like a four or five handicap can shoot 75 or could shoot 90 on any given day. back to backto-back videos, it was like 75, 75, 90. Like, that’s just kind of what it is. Average 80. You know what I mean? Like, it’s Yeah. And that’s like what my score is. So, having said all of that, uh, there’s no there’s no excuse on planet Earth that I should have lost that match. I just No, that’s that’s a crumble. That’s a defin. I don’t like it was Phil Mickelson at Wingfoot. It was just everything was in my control. I couldn’t hit an iron all day, but I was managing my way around. I was still going to be able to shoot like an 82 or 83. Win by five shots. There was two different instances on the back nine. On 15, I’ve got a pretty easy chip. He leaves one in the bunker. It’s looking like I can make par. He could make double. We both make bogey. On 16, he hits one out of bounds. I have a two- shot lead. Just hit one in play and it’s over. And I make an eight. He makes an eight. And then 17, just it’s like, dude, next thing I knew, I’m standing on the AT&T and I’m like, wait, I’m down. What happened here? And then it’s just over. And so I me and Alistar have talked about it a lot where I was like, “Dude, I there’s so much that goes into conversations about people collapsing in golf and it’s usually always focused around like the execution of it.” Like you look at that Meo Pereira swing at 18, you’re like, “Oh my god.” Or you look at somebody yip a putt. I was like, “Nobody ever talks about like the mental and strategy stuff that just went out the window.” I was like, “What was I doing? I just legitimately looked up and was like, “Dude, I didn’t even think I didn’t even know that there was a creek there. How do you not know? Oh, you’re playing for 25 grand. I didn’t know there was a hazard there at 17. Like, how do you not know that? Like, you’re playing for 25 grand. And then next thing I knew, it was just it was just over. And he was celebrating, dancing around the green with all his buddies who were the nicest people ever. It was like it helped a lot that he was he is a very good dude. We had a beer afterwards. He was like talking through me about how to get set up for streaming, which I would like to do because he’s a big streamer. Like, great guy. Having said all that, it’s like it’s just unacceptable what happened. And I can’t tell you there hasn’t been I’m not going to say a 60-second stretch, but there hasn’t been a 10-minute stretch in my life in the last three and a half weeks where I haven’t legitimately had like the most self-loathing just like ah did you do that? It’s also like I’ve talked to people that and it’s $25,000. Like that’s a [ __ ] ton of money, dude. Ton of money. Doesn’t matter who you are. Like you lose Dave loses 25 grand on a bet and he’s like that [ __ ] sucked. Yeah. sucks. 25 grand to a stranger. I handed it to a right. That guy’s walking through the airport with 50 grand. It’s like, listen, things are things are good. We’ve been doing pretty good, but it’s still $25,000 that you have to It’s a $45,000 like salary, you know what I mean? It’s like some like it’s like a lowinccome salary for a year for people. It’s a lot of money. Buy a decent car. 25 grand. Nice little car. [ __ ] new car. No, I thought about that a lot. It helps. Like you should see the way that I’m trying to justify it with like, oh, the videos are getting views. Views eventually lead back to ad dollars, which eventually is getting it’s like it’s not 25 grand in my pocket no matter what I do. It’s just 25 grand. So I can’t tell you the remorse that I We’re happy about it cuz we’re getting the ad dollars also. You 25 grand because it it was just fully Rigs’ money. Like I that didn’t come from the foreplay fund. That didn’t come we didn’t chip in. We didn’t buy action on it. It was just Rigs bar money. It was a and it was in my it was the right move for me. It’s like dude I I I had what I would tell people I was like dude he we did our homework. He was legit like a six or seven handicap. I’m a four handicap. So essentially I was getting like a minus 200 or minus 250 bet at even money to win 25 grand. I was like who wouldn’t do that? Of course you have to do that. And then the only thing that [ __ ] it up was me. I just didn’t get it done. There was no it was no bad luck. The weather was perfect. It was my kind of situation. Like we were playing it from relatively short. The golf course is very hard. Anybody who plays it knows but regardless 90 is unacceptable. So I match you would have won, wouldn’t you? Yeah, we did it afterwards. I think I would have won which it doesn’t matter. It’s also, dude, I went into it knowing like I had I had the ultimate opportunity to just put a bow on all of it at the end of the summer where it’s like I could go out of positive and I could shoot a 75, 76, even just break 80, win by a handful of shots, take home $25,000 and just be able to be like, we did stroke play, we played for all the monies and I did it and I won. It’s over. And I shot 90 and lost 25 grand. It just opens up a door to do another one now that you know it’s just like we got to get back on that [ __ ] horse now. So now it’s like me and Jones you were talking. It’s like are you just the 25 grand guy now? Like oh my god in in 12 months am I going to be down 200 grand? Like what are we doing here? Is that the new It is like you know he’s going to be moving into Frankie’s house if we keep doing stuff like that. You have a little bit of a bank right now where it’s like you can do like one or two more and if you lose those it’s over. Then it’s like agreed I start to get to cuz dude Kyle your friend Kyle he was like he was sitting there and he’s like dude when I was trying to which he was more calculated about it than I expected but not and like his game was his game. He shot 89 and I [ __ ] lost. I suck. But anyways he he was like I me and my buddies were trying to come up with the number that I needed to include in the tweet that you would accept. And he’s like what number could I have gone to? And I was trying to come up with that. I was like I really don’t know. Like if you would have said 50 grand I don’t know. Is that like too much? If you would have said 100, is that too much? If you would have said, you know, 10, I would So, I don’t know. But 25 perfect. I’m down. I’m gonna do another 25k match. And it’s like must win because then it’s back to even. I’m celebrating. It’s like it never happened. And if I lose it, it’s like I’m a chase. I mean, I’m chasing. That’s just You can’t I know. I know. I know. It hurts. I sent Jonesy just the screenshot of my checking account minus $25,000 and I know then the bank cuz when you take it out they’re like it’s they don’t grill you but they’re sort of like oh okay what’s this for? You know and I was like telling him I was like yeah for work I like film YouTube videos. I’m actually like we’re doing a cash prize for this video that we’re filming and we’re playing a $25,000 golf match. They’re like oh awesome. Are you playing? He’s like yeah I’m in the video you know whatever. Good luck. And then I just haven’t been back to the bank yet. So they’re like oh that guy’s boss clearly. He’s just we haven’t seen him. We haven’t seen him and he hasn’t deposited anything. He’s just he just lost that money. Insane. Um having said all that, I still appreciate everybody watching. Uh I appreciate all the views, all the support, and I I’m not going anywhere. I’ve been I’ve been hungry. I’ve been God, it’s frustrating. I don’t know how Rory sleeps at night after that US Open. I really don’t. Like, I just don’t It’s I can’t tell you how grueling it is and how much you just think about every shot. I just have the wor I can’t even watch the video. I’m just like, h, [Music] golf is hard. Can be very, very hard as you hear us discuss in this show. 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[Music] It’s, you know, it’s a great idea and we’ve talked about it a lot, but like that the LPGA thing where people are starting, it’s starting to permeate into society and into golf culture where like that’s when you know people are just like, “Oh, that’s such a good idea. We’re going to do it as well.” I don’t know if you have any update on that. I don’t know if any conversations have happened, but people want to do it and they want to do it in their own sphere. We’re going to do it. Jonesy and I had a call with the agency last week that represents a bunch of LPGA Tour players. Um, it’s definitely a little different than the hater series. Like, you can bring out a Vinnie to me and I can handle it. It makes the video better. We don’t want to bring out someone that’s going to like make young women, golfers, like super uncomfortable. So, we don’t want it to be like violently abrasive. Well, I don’t even know to say violently, even like verbally abrasive. We want someone that like is a scratch golfer who simply like is doubtful that the women’s game can hold up to the men and will be a respectful normal person but like thinks that they’re going to win. Yeah. And then do that match and host it. We absolutely want to do it. I think it could be huge. I You’re right. It got a lot of the conversation going which I which I loved. Um so we’re definitely going to do it. We’re absolutely going to do it. I think it’ll be it’s such a good idea. You know, we’ve been around, we’ve filmed a bunch with, you know, whatever, 10 or so different LPGA players, and they really are unbelievably good. I myself don’t know how far back you could take them to where the advantage would would start to slip, right? Like, I think if they play 6,500 yards or whatever they normally play in the LPJ tour, I think they’re undoubtedly, especially over a scratch golfer, just gonna have a massive advantage. They’re just better. They’re way better. think if you start to go to 7,000 yards, I still know they’re way better. But is that distance right? Is there like a huge difference in the advantage where now it’s like pretty even? Like I just don’t know what that number is. I think we’re going to start out playing the the normal TE’s that like they play on the LPJ tour from that distance. See how it goes for a video or two. And if the LPJ players dusting these guys, then get a get a girl that will move back and be like, “Will you play from 7,200 yards against a scratch golfer?” If they’re like, “Fuck yeah, I’ll do it. We’ll do it.” And I think we’re going to start pretty normal distance that they play and just see how a scratch golfer holds up against an LPJ. I think I saw Charlie Hull say she would play the blues and let the scratch golfer play the whites. Like she would play behind them. I love that. Oh, she would be so good in a She also hits the ball so far. So far. Yep. Yeah. Well, that um that the young girl at the US Women’s Open was averaging almost 300 yards off the tea. She was like 290 something off the tea. It’s like Jesus Christ. This is a no-brainer. I’ve gotten a me a bunch of messages from some gremlins being like, I would dust him. Like, let me see. Forward those to us because we are trying to find the right opponent, right? I will. I mean, this one guy is not the guy, but like he’ll just he’ll make them cry. But like Yeah. No, there’s a lot of people that are very Yeah, it’s it’s going to be a hard spot to be because you’re essentially like signing up to get cancelled where it’s like like you’re out there being like, I don’t think the women’s game is good enough to beat me. I’m just better. And like you’re towing a misogynistic line. You are towing a misogynistic line out there. You’re just like, “Yeah, I know they’re pro, but like she’s a woman. I can obviously be right is what you’re saying. There is no way to get around it. Like you’re claiming that they have no chance to be I do think it’s been a conversation for a long time. Like this that’s the reason the debate was sparked when Riggs was doing his thing because it’s it doesn’t have to be like like he’s saying, it doesn’t have to be abrasive. You can just you can be like it’s almost like an experiment. Like I want to see a a guy who’s a scratch how he would do against an LPJ tour player. You don’t have to be like in the way that we’re all like assuming they would be. It can just be like it’s golf and like what are the levels actually and what do they look like and how good is this guy versus like I think it can be that way where it doesn’t have to be like the guy’s going to be a [ __ ] [ __ ] And the LPJ players actually deserve this chance to show just how good they are in reality. They deserve the platform to be like cuz they are [ __ ] good. We do these videos, man. They are so good at the game of golf. Yep. We watch Charlie Hull. We watch Nelly Cordon. Now, these are some of the best in the game, but they don’t miss a shot. They are on the pin every single time. They’re hitting absolute bombs. Tiger Woods watched Nelly Cord at Balls. He laughs out loud. He’s like, “This girl is unbelievable at the game of golf.” Like, they are so good. So that’s what they deserve is the is is the chance to show the world. Yeah. It is an experiment. It’s like a control. Like the control is everybody’s, you know, everybody’s best uh like the best guy in everybody’s group. Like they all say that they would dust the guy an LPGA pro. Like you’re setting now the bar of like shutting all those people up. Not just the guy that they’re playing. It’s like everyone like no no this is actually how good we are. You beat him three and four whatever. four and two and it was over. The next time you know people are are together like they’re playing golf and they have this debate hopefully one guy has seen the video and he’s like no it’s right here we can watch it. It’s like always the debate about could the best college football team beat the worst NFL team and they’ve never done it and I would [ __ ] love to watch that game but like it would be a really interesting idea and an experiment. This is the exact same thing for the golf world. Yep. And I I couldn’t agree more that I think it is such an awesome opportunity for any of the LPGA players for exposure or getting coverage that they don’t get right. Like this will be when this goes down, if it’s done right and everything, this will get more coverage than almost any tournament that they do or play throughout the year. I mean, this is going to be talked about. This will be remembered. And so, yeah, we had that conversation. We’re going to continue that. we’re going to try to get this bad boy going soon cuz I think it’s a great idea. But it is it’s a spin-off from sort of how this whole series has gone. And there’s there’s you know if you look at like the Dave versus JR like grudge match that they did like there is a this is in golf this is opportunity for people to just be like [ __ ] you. I think I could beat you and like go at it and and so we’re happy to be the people that do that. So uh we’re working on that. Very happy to host that and hopefully we get that done pretty soon. But yeah, it’s been a hell of a run. three and one against uh you know my opponents this year. It just happened that the one loss was the most costly, but that’s okay. We’re going to keep going. We’ll see where it ends up. Um but thanks to everybody for watching. All right. Uh moving on. Little John Deere Classic. Trent’s tournament. You guys have been to this course multiple times now. Trent, you’ve done a couple different videos at TBC Deer Run. One of my my good friend Andrew Martin back in St. Louisis Bogey Hills Country Club member. He uh played TBC Deer Run a couple years ago and it’s his favorite course I think he’s ever played. Like as we’re watching the coverage he went through was like, “Oh, this h this hole is amazing.” And once again, I think they were saying four the last five or six years or something like that. It’s come down to a playoff. So I know we give it a hard time and it doesn’t always have the strongest field. They had a hell of a field this year. Max Homa being in the mix helped a lot in terms of big names. Jason Day was there. There are a lot of big names in in the field and Max Homer had a great run. He finished what two strokes out of the playoff. Uh I was sitting in bed, you know, kind of recovering from Fourth of July weekend watching this whole thing. That 18th hole was phenomenal. It’s like right on that edge of like if you hit a really good T- shot, you can have a pretty good birdie look. If you don’t, you’re going to struggle to make par. Um and then Brian Campbell of all people who’s got 161 mph ball speed, which I love. That is like way down towards the bottom. you’re watching like Max Homo was hitting like 183, 184 ball speed with his driver. Um, and this guy gets it done. He was kind of cocky like he finished 45 minutes before the other guys. He was just sitting in the clubhouse chilling like everybody goes to the range. He was just sitting in the clubhouse, came out, striped one down the middle and then hit this sick little draw at the pin and won uh his second tournament of the year. So, great little tournament there at the John Deere this week. It is a great tournament. It’s a great golf course. The people there are great. Like you mentioned, we’ve done a couple videos there. My dad and I and beef were just there like a month ago. We shot a breaking 85 out there and they’re just the nicest people ever. I know my mom got like the card from the tournament director and they went this weekend to the tournament and they got hooked up and had a great time. So, shout out to them. Shout out to Payton who’s always been very good to us helping us get tea times and yeah, it’s a great tournament. I I won’t lie to you. I was rooting for Max Homewood to win it for a multitude of reasons. All due respect to Brian Campbell. That’s a hell of a win. I think it’s a million and a half paycheck. But like having Max Homa win the John Deere Classic would have been well first of all we really like Max and we’re always rooting for him but that’s just you have to talk about it then cuz again all due respect to Brian Campbell but that’s not exactly moving the needle on on the internet. If Max Homo wins it becomes like this whole thing then maybe he’s got to keep going back there and he’s going to talk about it. So I was rooting heavily for Max and I think everybody was but yeah it’s a great tournament. It’s It’s also gets kind of screwed now because it’s Fourth of July weekend where people are clearly out and about doing other things, but it’s a great golf tournament. Great golf tournament. Yeah, we love their time there. It’s a great golf course. Not easy. It’s definitely not an easy track. So, I mean, the fact that these guys play so well there when you get to play a course that PJ Tour players play really does uh you know, blows you away at some of the shots they’re able to hit, especially under pressure. Max looked great all week and weekend and then started to fall apart. A couple bogeies on the back. It’s like, god damn, Max. Like, this was the one. Everyone was pulling for him. He had all these quotes. Do we have like the we have the quotes of what he said about the just Twitter and the internet. Um, I think this is where people are not turning on Max, but you’re seeing a lot more negativity toward him online because he’s kind of like not asking for it, but when you call out all golf fans on social media, you’re going to get like the psychopaths that kind of hit you and slam you harder. I really don’t know how to say it. It’s like it’s not um hypocritical, but like he was the Twitter guy, so like now that he’s saying like Twitter’s the worst place of all time and everyone just like tells you to go kill yourself on it. I get what he’s saying and I agree with him, but like he is the guy that did all of this, you know what I mean? Like he just like roasts people’s swings and it yeah, it’s very like fun and light-hearted and stuff, but like you’re just of course people are going to go after you and and and think that you can take certain jabs and stuff. You know what I mean? like it’s kind of hard to be the one that’s like crying over the fact that you’re getting a lot of like social media engagement when it’s like kind of your thing. I I understand what you’re saying if but he was never malicious. It was ne it was always very playful and I there is a certain percentage and it’s we see it everywhere on the internet where people take it too far and the the line has always just been now where it’s like well of course those people exist and they’re going to be mean and they’re going to tell you to kill yourself on the internet where it’s kind of like I don’t know if we should openly accept that. you’re not going to get rid of it, I guess. But like, right, I understand where he’s coming from where he was like, “Yeah, I was the Twitter guy. I got my big following there.” But it was always he was roasting people sarcastically and he was always engaging with fans. So to then have this percentage of people who are just being [ __ ] really mean. I think he’s fine to be like, “Yeah, Twitter’s like there’s parts of it that really really suck.” You don’t think that him not winning for like 900 days has anything to do with the fact that he’s like mad about the perception toward him on online? I think it’s I think it’s certainly both. I there’s no way it’s 0%. But I’m saying like listen, the internet’s not getting any better. I think we would all agree with that in terms of like the bad parts of Twitter. So, I I think we’re getting to a point where we’ve all just accepted the line of like, yeah, there’s parts of it that suck when those parts really do suck and they’re like, yeah, like, yeah. So, I I don’t like to blame Max like he’s in a bad spot obviously. Like, he hasn’t been playing that well. So, clearly the negative messages are going to hurt him more than when he was on top of the world winner Riviera. So, he’s going to have more opinions about it. I just don’t like people being super malicious and people just sort of writing it off as like, “Oh, well that’s the internet.” Those people are still [ __ ] [ __ ] Oh, totally. I guess my point’s more like those have always been there and like Max never really called that out. Maybe they’re just coming at him a little bit more because he’s not playing well. He’s definitely frustrated. It’s a snowball effect of like performance impacting your perception of the thing that you actually enjoyed before cuz obviously his performance is now bringing out people being meaner which it’s like it’s going hand in hand which I feel bad for him in that sense like there no one should be doing that. It’s just like when you’re winning tournaments and like if you won a major and he was on top of the world someone being like [ __ ] you like it it just brushes off your shoulder. You don’t. To me, that’s very human. That’s very human of Max to be like when things are good, I don’t give a [ __ ] what anybody says. And when I’m doing bad, I this hurts more because there’s like, man, I wish I was playing better. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. I I think it is a it is an effect of He’s probably getting a lot more negative stuff. He’s definitely getting a lot more negative stuff in general. And that stuff just sucks when you don’t have like positive things to fall back on or going on. Whereas when you’re winning, you’re on the RDER Cup team, you’re a stud in the President’s Cup, and you scroll through Twitter, it’s great. A lot of it’s positive. Some of the negative stuff that you see, you’re like, “Whatever. I’m winning tournaments and I’m at I’m I’ll just roast this guy real quick. Fine.” When you’re already frustrated and pissed off, and then you go on and see people being malicious and mean, yeah, has a different effect on you for sure. And it’s like I I would say like, it’s not the same thing, but I don’t know, two weeks ago when I beat Vinnie, I’m all over Twitter. It’s great. last week when the video comes out where I lose 50 grand and shoot 90. I don’t want to lose I don’t want to look at anything. Yeah. I’m like, [ __ ] that. That’s just Yeah, it’s just human nature. Totally. Yeah. It’s kind of human nature. So, I get that. I I know what you’re saying, Frankie, and that like you’re the Twitter guy and then just cuz you’re playing poorly, you can’t look at you can’t be like, “No, well, now Twitter is the worst thing ever, but it wasn’t the worst thing ever before.” It was like I I understand that, but I think it’s a lot more of like it’s human nature and it sucks when things are not going well, when you’re incredibly frustrated. The internet is a certain corner of it, a horrible place, and you’re probably just more likely to like highlight and focus on how horrible of a place it is when everything’s going a little shittier for you. And so, I get that and I completely understand it. I imagine, you know, when he’s winning again and whatnot, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him, you know, embracing social a little bit more. But I saw him posted on Instagram last night and stuff, some like screenshots of people sending him messages in Venmos because they lost their parlay and whatnot. And I imagine he’s got a little bit more of like a [ __ ] you attitude towards all those people right now because things aren’t going as well and he’s frustrated and that’s just [ __ ] human nature. That’s why we like Maxing. Yeah, we love Max. And I’ve always laughed at the fact that people pin him as the Twitter guy. So I actually hate that like even the way that I’m trying to bring it up even paints him that way cuz a guy just on Twitter in our generation like we all just are on Twitter and Instagram. He just happens to be a professional golfer. Like he’s just interacting the same way we do with everything. He watches a show, he tweets about it. He like that like Max Hom is just a regular guy that happens to just be a really really good professional golfer. So him being like the Twitter guy, why isn’t like uh like Kim uh the Twitter guy or like all these other guys now? Michael Kim, why isn’t Michael Kim the Twitter guy? And you know what I mean? Like it’s just people use Twitter. So it’s just like he probably looks at that. He’s like, “What the fuck?” Like I don’t understand why I’m the Twitter guy. So that part always makes me laugh. But, uh, no, I think it’s just I would love to just see Max get the freaking monkey off his off his back and just be able to just play freely and not think about it. And he’s doing great in all their aspects of life. He’s got great family, great wife. He’s got great [ __ ] uh merchandise deals. You see him now with all these new brands. He’s looking fantastic. He actually looks good, too. Have you seen these pictures of Max? He does look good. He’s got that like Hollywood glow to him right now. He’s look He looks like a famous person. Like Max Home is getting better looking, which I always laugh at. It’s like as people get more successful, they get better looking. But as this podcast has gotten more successful, I feel like I’ve gotten way worse looking. I don’t know how I look horrible. I don’t know how people turn that on. Like it’s always an it’s always an excuse. Like someone, holy [ __ ] look at that guy. And like your friend will be like, “Well, that guy’s like, you know, that guy’s killing it. You know, he’s probably got like a nutritionist and all these things.” I’m like, “I don’t know, man. Like I’m like we’re doing all right and I look like [ __ ] Horrible. I’m getting worse and worse and worse. I just got a colonoscopy the other day. Like, it’s getting bad. You know what I mean? Like, did you Oh, Max looks I did get a colonoscopy the other day. Um, how bad was the like the day before stuff? Was that horrible? The prep is bad, but I don’t want to shy people away from trying to do it. Like, it makes you understand why people don’t want to do it. And that is a shame because I think the prep gets such bad coverage. You know, there’s so many people being like, “Oh, but the prep sucks.” And you like you you keep putting it off. You’re like, do I really want to spend a whole day on the toilet? And it’s like, dude, it’s really not that bad. You pick the right sucks dying. That sucks a lot. 100%. And like, yeah, sure. When I was in the thick of it, did I say to like one of my friends, I’m like, I understand why people don’t get checked because of this. Like, this [ __ ] blows. And this is like we’re in the year 2025. There needs to be this is a bad barrier to entry. Like, when you’re in the middle of it, you’re sitting on the toilet and you’re just like, “God, I don’t want to be doing this anymore. I’m pissing out my ass.” And then like towards the end you feel pretty good about it. You’re like, “All right, I’m about to like check in on my body in a way that I wouldn’t be able to do unless I pissed out my ass.” And it’s like it’s it’s a little bit of that, you know, you get a little bit of motivation towards the end of the night. You’re like, “Let’s just get this thing done.” And then when you go in, you know that you’re about to get answers and it’s good. So yeah, everything went well. I mean, I got an endoscopy and a colonoscopy. They did it both. and just to get I wanted to know kind of similar to what you were doing with the the stuff you talked about with Biz like you just want to know where you’re at. You don’t want to be sitting on something and uh yeah. No, it was it was fine. I’m still waiting to hear back like results, but they didn’t find anything particularly, you know, bad or anything in there, which was good. I I’m kind of interested in the I know the prep is pretty rough, but like what do you take like pills and you you drink something and it just cleans you out? That actually sounds kind of nice to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, your stomach bubbles for like 12 hours, dude. It’s a [ __ ] wild feeling. Feels like your asshole’s going to pop out the bottom. You’re just like, “Whoa!” You’re con constantly going, “Whoa!” And you run to the bathroom and your tippy toes and then you just It just all comes out of you. It’s not a fun day. But yeah, I took 12 pills at like 400 p.m. And you have to like drink water over an hour as you take the pills. And then at like 11:00 p.m. I took 12 pills. And that was like you’re in the scary hours cuz you’re pooping and peeing uh at like 3:00 a.m., right? Like and and and the thing is at 9:00 a.m. So there is no sleep there. That’s where it’s like you’re sending out the text and like I’m not doing this again. But you were good. I came over later that day and you were fine. Yeah. Tren saw me the day of and I was Yeah, dude. Getting knocked out is so [ __ ] weird. The anesthesia, man, is like not to be believed how weird it is. Like the guy is talking to me and he’s like, “All right.” He looking me in the eyes being like, “We’ll see you in a couple minutes. Have a good sleep.” And I’m looking at him like, “I ain’t going to [ __ ] go to sleep right now. I’m wide awake. I got my ass out right now. I’m going to win. I’m going to win. I’m I’m Dude, I can’t explain the weird feeling of knowing you’re about to go to sleep and consciously thinking about that and saying like, “There’s no way I’m about to go to sleep.” And then you wake up and you’re like, “What the [ __ ] I don’t like what you do to my asshole.” You wake up with the prior thought. Do you know what I’m saying? Oh, that’s interesting. Like I’m waking up with like I’m awake. No way. like you say, like, no way. It’s crazy. I don’t like it. I’ve had a couple procedures done where they put you under and it’s Yeah, it’s a feeling that I do not enjoy. I I don’t at all. Yeah, I’ve probably gone under four or five times over my life. This time I It was different. I kind of heard a ringing in my ear and everything got kind of hot and then I was out. It was weird. What do they do? Like they make you count backwards from 10 and then you’re just out. That guy just stared me in the eyes. He’s just like you. That’s what I go. Yeah, [ __ ] That’s it. Try to stay awake. Try to stay awake. Yeah. Yeah. Try That’s what they middle fingers up. That’s what you I remember. Yeah. The last time that I got put under, they do. They tell you to count back from 100 and you get to 99 and a half and you’re gone. 1090. It’s crazy. Yeah. I tried to make a couple jokes. He’s like, “We’re going to do the colonoscopy first.” I’m like, “I hope you clean it before you put it in my mouth.” And then he’s like, “We use two scopes.” I was like, “All right, good thing I didn’t say spit on it.” That’s like a doctor doesn’t have that sense of humor where they’re like, “Uh, yeah, sir, we’re going to use two scopes on you.” I was like, “All right.” I really was going to say right before I was like, “When’s she going to spit on it?” You know what I mean? Something [ __ ] crazy, but sir, get out of my office. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is not a joke. We’re saving lives out here. So, definitely everybody should get it done. Oh, it’s it’s it is ve it is very essential. 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I think he gets to the [ __ ] finish line and he starts running backwards. Chestnut, it’s not even close. to eat a hot dog in in less than a second. You saying Bolt, if you’re telling me he’s got to do the ah and show when it’s gone, it’s over, bro. That shit’s not getting down for a minute. Right. So, the discussion becomes, so what how fast did Usain Bolt run 100 meters? It was like 9.4 seconds or something, right? So, sorry. Yeah. What’s that? I was saying yards. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 100 meters. So, how long? 9.58 seconds. Trent Daddy. Wow. It was pretty close, actually. And that’s unbelievable. He’s just And it takes like if you eat a hot dog, if you just eat a regular hot dog and bun and you’re not Joey Chestnut, it takes a good amount of time. Oh. So, as long as Joey minute, bro, Joey Chestnut is going to eat that hot dog in the blink of an eye. It’s gone. It’s already gone. Yeah, I agree. I think it’s Joey Chessa that’s not even close because also don’t get me wrong like Usain Bolt’s going to crush Joey Chessa in the run but even the one of the slower runners if he’s just a normal human runner he doesn’t lose by like an unbelievable amount in a 100 meters it’s only like he’s still running seconds it would be like 15 seconds right right that’s what I think too so it’s like we’re talking about a five to six second difference in the hot dog it would take him forever to eat that hot dog even right even if All right so when you regularly eat a hot dog. Obviously, you’re pretty casual about it. You’re not racing Joey Chestnut in 100 meters after you eat it. But if you try to eat a hot dog and a bun really fast, as a person who’s not Joey Chestnut again, I don’t know how fast I could do it. It would still take me like 45 seconds. I think the gap in hot dog finishing is way larger than the gap in running, which is insane to say about Joey Chestnut and Usain Bolt. I think it’s that impressive how fast he can eat. I think it’s more impressive how quickly he can eat a hot dog than the fastest runner of all time can run the 100 meter dash. I agree with that. You are right. Those the gaps that you laid out, they are so different in Joey Chestnut’s favor that he would win. The crazy thing too is and it might not happen, but like we are living in a world where this could they should just do this. They should do this. Like I understand that Usain Bolt’s not in his like prime prime anymore, but he’s still super [ __ ] fast, I would imagine. And Joey Chestnut clearly still the GOAT. So like let’s let’s run this up. Let’s do it. He would eat that hot dog so [ __ ] fast. It would it would blow your mind watching Joey Chestnut. He’d be 50 m already and he’d still be finishing that hot dog. Usain Bolt. I think Joey Chestnut could do the 100 meter dash doing hand like doing cartwheels and he would win. Correct. Joey Chest is not even close in my opinion. It’s not even close. I because then people are going to be like, “Oh, what if Usain does the same stuff as him where it’s like he eats the the wiener and then dips it in the water.” It’s like these are all things that Joey Chestnut are is so good at that even if Usain Bolt like tries to do it, he’s a thousand times faster. Joey Chestnut, we’re talking about something running that everyone can do. And we’re talking about hot dog eating and speed levels. It’s just a whole new skill set that nobody like he doesn’t know how to do that. And he just I can run. You can run faster than I can, but like I’ve been running since I was uh 10 months old. Like I could just run. It’s a shame. time I saw this at the end of Fourth of July cuz there’s so many like I would have loved to get the boys going on this and then also just doing it ourselves, right? Like someone eating a hot dog, seeing how long it takes and then running. Like we could have been doing this all weekend long. I was with them all weekend long from Thursday to Sunday and I didn’t bring it up once. It’s a shame. Yeah. I would love to know the times like the the range of times because you think Joey Chestnut’s going to be max 17 seconds to do all that. Yeah. So like what would how would I do? How would I do? I think I don’t think I can eat a hot dog that fast. I don’t think I break a minute total when this whole thing Yeah, it’d be close. By the time I’m done swallowing it all, I think the fastest a normal person could do it would be like 30 to 40 seconds. You shove the wiener all the way down and now you’ve got this huge clump of just bun and you’re just dipping and you’re like chewing and you you’re laughing. You can’t you’re coughing up. You can’t believe how much bread is there. And Joey Chestnut’s gone. He is. He is gone. He’s running backwards. You don’t happen to have any leftover hot dogs and buns at your house, do you? I probably have a hot dog bun downstairs. But I was thinking I want to watch you. I want I want to watch you. I want to see you try to do it. Have a We can get one. We can get one going. I don’t know. No, no, no. It’s okay cuz I’m just curious the a regular person eating a hot dog like that. Like how long does it take? I have no idea. How fast could you get a hot dog prepared right now? You know, you let’s go to the voicemails. I’ll see if it’s even possible cuz I we could just like we could guesstimate the running. You know, it’s probably going to take you 15 16 seconds or something. The hot dog is the important part for sure. Is your hot dog 10 seconds? Is it a minute and a half? I have no idea how long it’s going to take you to make just hopped on the phone like he was like closing a huge deal. He’s like, “Hold on. We’ll see how we can get this hot dog going here.” Well, let’s do another voicemail while he’s How long would it take to get a hot dog made here? Is that possible? I guess you could just eat cold hot dog. Oh, we don’t have hot dogs. Oh, all right. All right. All right. We’ll do it on the next one. All right. All right. How’s the baby doing? All right. Bye. It’s good. Imagine imagine being in this life and you’re married to Frankie Bell and you just had you got an 8week old kid and you get a call and the question is, “We got any hot dogs? How’s that baby doing? What’s going on down there?” Monday 12:25. All right. Maybe on the next show we’ll do we’ll do the hot talk. Yeah, I think that’s right. All right. What other voicemails we got? Hey brothers, this is Eika from Hala Hawaii. Huge [ __ ] fan of the program. Hey, I got one question for you. Have you guys ever had one dream where you’re like in a living room or some enclosed space and you’re trying to hit a golf ball out into the open? You have all these people watching, but whenever you try to swing, you don’t get one enough room. So you re key the ball to like a different area, but every time you try to take the club back, you don’t get enough room. So you’re just picking up the tee and rekeying, going from place to place, trying to find one place where you can just swing and smash the golf ball. But every time you just don’t have enough room, and this happens over and over until you wake up. I have this dream every once in a while. I think a lot of people have the same kind of dream. wondering if you guys ever had this and wonder, you know, what it all means. Anyways, hope you guys all chill in every if you ever come into the back of the islands, you know, love to see you guys again. Aloha. I love that guy. Greatest guy. I love that guy. He’s from Haliva, which by the way, I spent two weeks there after I graduated high school. My buddy’s family is from there. It is the most beautiful place on planet Earth. It It’s paradise. It’s on the north shore of Aahu. If you ever get a chance to go there, anybody jump at it because it is the greatest place, dude. We have to visit this man at some point. I want to go to that place and I want to see that man because it’s an awesome call. Yes. The answer is yes. I think we all have. We’ve all described different versions of a very similar dream. We got to get a psychiatrist on this show and have them break down what they think that might mean for each of us because mine I’ve described that I’m like in the masters and I somehow I’m on the first tee and I can just never tee off like something’s always wrong. It’s like like he just described. I either tee it up too close to the tea marker and then I’m in front of the tea marker and then my foot’s hitting the tea marker and then there’s like a violent storm comes through. So everybody’s like take cover and then like the group in front of us, we thought that they were gone but they’re not. So like I have to pull off right when I and I just never get to tee off ever. I It’s It’s scary how similar all of ours are because it’s got to be super common. I don’t know what that is. Maybe it’s a maybe this thing is a freaking simulation and that’s just like hardwired into our brain of us like not completing something and we all share the same kind of dreams. But no, I have two two of them. I have three of them that I rotate through and it makes me sick to my stomach of this guy even just describing how similar they are where like I’m legitimately at like a family party and someone wants to see me hit a a drive and I somehow have a club in my hand and I’m like, “All right, like and then like I I can’t get it done.” like he’s saying like you got like like I’m always hitting the back wall and you like move forward and now like you’re still hitting the wall and then you wake up or there’s one where I’m a waiter and I can’t get the food to the table no matter what they’re like I just can’t do it. I keep going there and they’re like where’s the food? I’m like I don’t know. I I the kitchen didn’t have it. You just can’t get the food to the table. And the third one, which is way more common for me than the golf, which is bizarre, is I’ve been asked to play for the Islanders. They’ve like asked me to fill in and I walk in through the same doors of like this huge arena back door and I’m in this locker room and I can hear the Islanders like walking out into the ice and I can’t get anything on. Like I’m like complaining that I don’t know how to put like the pads on and like I’m nervous that they know that I can’t get them on. I’ve never once got on the ice. And I’m telling you, I’ve done this a thousand times. Yeah. I’ve never made it out of that room. I’ve like walked around with a bag over my shoulder. Dude, this is so vivid. Like I I walk in with like a big hockey bag over my shoulder. I’ve never played hockey in my life. I played roller hockey for like six months. I have this vivid dream of me being at the coliseum like ready to go out. and I can’t get out. I can’t do it. I cannot get out on that ice. Never once skated on it. I’ve definitely had dreams like that. It’s It’s got to have something to do with Yeah. a professional dream reader, somebody like that. Cuz it’s got to have something to do with cuz when you’re putting the tea in the ground and you’re putting the ball on the tea, that’s when you’re your most nervous on a golf course, I feel like. So, it has to there has to be something in your brain that is replaying that moment for whatever reason. And I would love to get an answer from somebody who knows. So, it would be great to either write in or have them call into the show. I think that there’s going to be thousands of people listening to this show that have had a nearly identical dream. And I’m with you, Frankie. The the similarities with which he just described that is stunning. It was like I was asleep again going through it. I have the same deal with hockey. Uh but I kind of know where that comes from of just like wasted talent and I just like what could have been kind of thing. And so I’ve had that’s like my other recurring dream is that I’m always finally in the game, scoring goals, playing well, living out what I always thought I could have potentially done and then I wake up and none of it’s real and I’m like reaching being like ah how did that not happen? The golf one is stunning how similar that is to all of us. So yeah, there’s got to be something to that. They’ll ever figure out how to have us become conscious in our dreams. I saw something recently where there somebody came up with a device to like uh video your dreams or like record them. And I don’t know how real that was. It was one of those things I saw on Instagram and I just kept scrolling. I didn’t look into it, but well then there’s also the people who do lucid dreaming where they know that they’re in a dream and it’s so it’s something they’ve practiced. I don’t know what it is exactly. Crazy. Our boy owes the mentalist. I saw him talking about this on a podcast. I was it wasn’t with Rogan. It was with some other group that I was watching recently and he was talking about how you can train yourself to do this so that you know you it’s almost like with the top in inception to some degree where it’s like you could come up with ways to teach yourself to know with lucid dreams when you’re in a dream pro. I guess there’s some like severe issue with that that can really lead down some like dark tunnels. He was kind of talking about I don’t remember all schizophrenic like you start to think and it starts to blend together. He was saying it’s like hypnotism basically. It’s not it’s not all that different than the practice of like hypnosis but you have to be open to it. Like he was like people that people that are abrasive and don’t think that they can be hypnotized can’t be hypnotized. People that are like open to it that you can hypnotize. And it’s similar with like lucid dreams in some way. But he was talking about that and that’s wild to me of like Jesus Christ cuz you always I mean we all test when you’re in a dream to your own knowledge of testing it and it never you know you never think you’re dreaming and then you wake up. The weird That’s the weirdest thing about dreams that I really don’t like is that when you’re in them everything makes logical sense and none of it makes sense once you’re out of it. And that freaks me the [ __ ] out cuz it’s like how often does that happening all the time to everybody? So dreams are very very interesting and it’d be great to have somebody on who like has a little bit of insight into that. It’s a really good call, man. That is a really good call. That was a great call. Love that guy. All right, last couple things I’ve got real quick is just we’re about to enter the uh the Lynx Golf Stretch. We got a couple weeks coming up. Uh talk about it with Mav a little bit, but we got Scottish Open at the Renaissance Club, which is uh near North Barrack. It’s near Mirfield. uh pretty iconic part of Scotland just I believe just east I think of Edinburgh and then we’ll go straight from there they’ll buzz over to Port Rush and we got the British Open. So next two weeks you’re going to get the Scottish Open has a great field Scotty Rory uh Tommy Colin Xander JT Levig bunch of guys playing in the Scottish Open and then uh like I said head right over to Port Rush. It’ll be a home game for Rory, home game for Shane Lowry. They just put a video of him returning to uh Port Rush. She obviously won there in 2019. So, there’s a cool video on YouTube of Shane Lowry if that wants to get you geared up. But, you’re going to be hearing a lot of you’re going to be seeing a lot of social clips. A lot of the guys that are playing in the Scottish Open, I’m sure we’ll go take like a little Twilight Spin at North Barrett because it’s sort of this like iconic old school course. There’s like a wall that you hit over there. It’s on my top five bucket list courses I would love to play as North Barrack. And they have a good social account on their Instagram. They always post all kinds of clips from whenever people stop by and play. So, you’ll be seeing a lot of that stuff. So, get ready for Scottish, Irish golf. None of us have ever played. Did you play any golf when you’re over there, Frankie? In Ireland? I don’t play. We played at No, we played at Ashford Castle. We just did a nine-hole thing. It’s where Rory got married and a bunch of pro golfers. There’s photos of them all playing this little nine-hole executive course right there on the water. It’s amazing. It was a lot of fun. My dad and I went out there and and got to play. They had tailor made clubs waiting for us at the first tea. It was like the best It was the best uh you know, experience ever. but didn’t play any IR like true Irish golf. Um, this is a little bit more parkland and yeah, the number one spot when I tell people I haven’t been that they can’t believe that we haven’t is to play golf in Ireland. So, we got to do that. But it’ll be focus level over the next couple weeks with Royal Port Rush and the Open Championship and the whole deal. So, uh, folks get up, gear up for that. Uh, otherwise, I think that’s all I had on my list, gentlemen. Anybody got anything else? I think, uh, no, I don’t got much. Great. Well, we’ll throw it to Maverick McNeely to kind of uh round out the show and then once again, we’ll be back Thursday. We’ll keep ripping all the way through the Open Championships. So, we got a couple big events. Enjoy the week. Uh we’ll see you Thursday. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. 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Last fall, I believe, so a little less than a year ago. You know, you’re kind of hovering outside the top 100, I believe. You’re kind of, you know, getting together with your team. You’re not really happy with where you’re at between then and now. You know, you got, I think, four top fives since February. You won last fall. You got a lot of people chattering about getting on that RDER Cup team. What’s been kind of the the change over the last nine months or so? It’s been a lot of good stuff. I mean, yeah, a year ago my best ever world ranking was 57th and uh I was outside the top 100. Uh did a bunch of really good things. Um owe a lot of uh credit to my swing coach, Scott Hamilton. Um you basically going from underneath, stuck under the plane, hitting a lot of blocks and hooks to uh on top of it, hitting more cuts. uh hired my brother Scout as my caddy which has been a lot of fun. He’s been awesome. We’re having a ton of fun out there. He’s working really hard and doing great and uh really, you know, my wife’s been traveling with me the last year and a half, which has made a big difference, you know, really different than sitting alone in a hotel room and uh and and just having your best friend out there and um just doing a lot of good things. It’s it’s like my best friend at my wedding said, you know, it took nine years to become a quote overnight sensation. I wouldn’t say that, but uh you know, it it’s just a lot lot of years of of work have kind of started to pay off and like I’m really happy with it. Golf is such a kind of finite sport when it comes to the fine lines and you know, you can feel like you’re close and then get out there and as anybody knows in in competition in big moments, stressful moments, whether you know that could be for anybody playing for a club championship or playing in front of a group behind them or you guys playing at the highest stakes. A lot of it is about comfort. Do you feel like you can attribute a lot of sort of just playing as good as you’ve played professionally as sounds like? Again, your wife’s on the road, you got scout out there, you just feel more comfortable day in and day out. Totally. Yeah. I you know, a couple years ago I would be mentally and physically exhausted um leaving a road trip and I just couldn’t wait to go home and see my family, see my friends um and everybody. But now I kind of have that group on the road with me and uh it’s made a huge difference. Um you being able to wind down faster because you play at a level up here and the faster you can wind down and actually start to relax, you know, it charges up your battery faster and you’re burning it less. Um that that’s huge huge difference. You know, there’s nothing like home and you know, I’m home 15 to 17 weeks a year. So you kind of have to make the road a little more comfortable that way. So, do you feel like with the, you know, the name MAV that you were sort of obligated to get your pilot’s license? Yeah, kind of. I hear that a lot. I mean, the the the whole where’s Goose or, you know, Top Gun, I hear that every day, but I I’ve always loved airplanes. I mean, um, but I kind of forgot about it until I was paired with George McNeel in the 2022 3M Open and he flew himself on tour for 20 years. Probably one of the coolest guys to ever play on the PJ tour. I just started asking him questions about flying. And uh after that round, I booked my first training flight at a local flight school in Vegas. And now uh now I’ve got my uh my own little single engine piston Cirrus and uh fly a bunch of places to play some fun golf. What’s your like limit? What where how far can you go to really fly yourself to wherever you need to be? Uh the plane’s limit limited to a thousand nautical miles, but loaded up with people and bags, you’re you’re kind of, you know, I try to limit to like two to three hours in the plane because there’s no bathroom and at that point it it gets to be a long ride. But uh my real limitation is I just play a lot of tournaments and I don’t get to fly a ton. So, um, when I was hurt for 6 months, uh, with a shoulder injury in 23, I did my instrument training and I was flying several days a week and was doing a bunch of solo flying then because I just felt like I was sharp and, uh, but I haven’t flown in five weeks now and I would definitely not get up in the plane alone. Uh, first one back cold turkey. So, um, hopefully this offseason I’ll get to do a little bit more fun flying. Uh, what was it? Arie flew himself a lot, didn’t he? He did. He had a lot bigger and faster planes than I than I’m flying right now. But, uh, yeah, it’s it was pretty cool. He he usually had a co-pilot fly with him, which I think it’s great. It makes it a fun experience, not a stressful experience. Uh, if you need to take a a quick break or a rest or just have another set of eyes up there, it’s great. But, uh, for me, it’s my escape. It’s when I don’t want to think about golf or anything else, I just get up in an airplane. You have to be completely focused on what you’re doing. It’s got to be pretty stressful, man. And I can’t even cuz you know we look we’re not exactly like you guys. We take a 100 flights or so a year. You know each each one of us jumping around filming, going to events, hosting events, whatever it is. And and you do think a lot when you’re taking an Uber to another international airport to check bags and wait another time. You know, even if everything goes smoothly, it’s still another couple hours added to each day. Uh just the logistics of having to go through the commercial and all that. So, I I’ve thought about I’ve seen some friends, you know, over the years. You just kind of accumulate friends on Instagram or whatever that I see they’re starting to I’m like, “Holy [ __ ] this person’s like going through flight training and now this person’s flying like six months later or whatever.” I’m like, “Oh my god.” But I just feel like that would be too much stress on me to be like, “I’m in control of an airplane.” I I kind of do it where I’m not stressful. You know, they say there’s old pilots and there’s bold pilots, but there’s no old bold pilots. So, really just fly within your limitations. you know, I I know if I haven’t been flying much lately, I’m just going to take a safety pilot with me and and make it a training experience. You know, have them throw like a fake emergency scenario in there just for training or something like that. But, um, for me right now, it’s like how do I turn a 4 to 10 hour drive into a 1 to two hour flight. That’s like my sweet spot. Not really using it to get tournament to tournament. Um, just based on the the speed and the size and the limitations of the plane and also just fatigue. He’s like, “Yeah, I don’t want to get out of the final group on Sunday and then have to do a a weather briefing, a pre-flight, plan a flight through weather and and all of that.” That’s pretty mentally taxing and uh yeah, I’d rather leave that up to the professionals at this point, but maybe, you know, after golf um be able to to level up a little bit and fly a bunch, do some fun stuff with my family is kind of the dream. So, just building hours and experience till then. Yeah, it’s very similar. I got a buddy Dustin who’s one of the only people I know who’s got a similar plane and we did like a golf trip one time I think it was San Francisco area and the next day it was like foggy not ideal weather. We had a couple drinks the night before and he was like this happens occasionally. It sucks but he’s like I got to get back to you know Southern California or something. He’s like I’m flying commercial and then next weekend I’m just going to have to fly back, get my plane and do it when there’s good weather. Absolutely. I mean that’s that’s the way to do it. Make it fun. Don’t make it stressful. And you know, as I’m sure you saw, like the view from the front seat is so cool. It’s so fun to be involved in there. And it’s like the most fun video game of all time. So, uh, I’m really, really fortunate to be able to do that. I’m really fortunate that I got set up with a great flight school with really good instructors and get to fly really good, safe planes. Like the Cirrus plane that I fly, the entire airplane has a parachute. So, um, when you’re flying a single engine piston plane, it’s really important to have that kind of backup that if you have an engine failure and there’s nowhere you can safely put the plane down, you just pull the handle and the whole plane goes down safely. And so, me flying with my wife and my family, that’s that kind of safety and backup option is really important to me. Very cool. It’s very cool that you do that. Like I said, I don’t know that I could handle it, so I’m impressed at anybody that can. Um, I know you had spoken quite a bit about, you know, last fall one of your big goals was to get into the Masters. I believe you said, you know, watching Scotty Sheffller’s victory and you were kind of upset that you weren’t there. You didn’t have a tea time. Now, you know, you’ve you’ve played the Masters, had three major championships this year, I would say, comparatively’ve done pretty damn well and trending in the right direction. What was that first Masters experience like? It was like draining from the fire hose to be to be honest. Um, it’s amazing how much local knowledge there is around that golf course versus any other. Everything from, you know, the first time I played it, like where you where the course brings your eye is not where you want to hit the ball. And a lot of the times you’re playing the ball to a area that looks bad but actually plays okay. The lies around the green were very different than I expected. I expect it’s super firm, tight turf. And what we actually got was slightly into the grain a little bit kind of ball sitting down lies where you kind of didn’t have that high spinny option. You kind of had to play a back in the stance bumper into a hill and and then even, you know, I think of the first time I uh went for the green on 13, I missed it left to front right hole location. And you know, putting it through that into the grain ry grass is so slow. like I never could hit a putt hard enough through the fair fair fairway, but I was worried if I chipped it and flew it onto the green, you’re just going to run straight into the creek. So, uh, a shot that I want to learn for next year is just that bump and run sevenwood that kind of gets there with a little more energy through that grass. So, I feel like he hits that shot a lot. He loves that one. Yeah, the best best guy I’ve ever seen at that shot is Charlie Hoffman. That guy’s deadly with the with the fivewood around the greens. I like that. That’s awesome. Yeah, I feel like that whole week anytime we talked, you know, they they uh they love to harp on the fact that, you know, there hasn’t been a um a firsttime winner in forever, that it’s extremely difficult when you’re out there. Uh how much of that you think has to do with just even all the hoopla, the fact that you’re you’re at the Super Bowl of golf? Totally. And in the first Masters, you want to experience everything. You play the par three contest. I did that with my wife and that was like one of the most fun days ever uh in golf for me. And uh you you want to go play a bunch of practice rounds, you want to go to the merch tent, you want to, you know, kind of explore everything there is to explore around Augusta. And uh yeah, it was it was really fun. I I was really excited to get four tournament rounds in out there and see how the golf course actually played on Saturday, Sunday. Uh see some of those pins and hit some of those shots. And how different was it? How different do you think the course felt kind of Saturday, Sunday? Yeah, the energy was one thing. I mean, every every day of the Masters is awesome, but Saturday, Sunday, and and being out on that back nine, hearing the roars and the groans when, you know, different scores were posted around the golf course is one of the coolest things ever. Seeing how some of the greens firmed up and others didn’t, and some were, you know, faster and some some putts were kind of slow was pretty eye opening. Like that 17th green was one of the fastest greens I think I’d ever putted. I don’t know if it’s cuz it’s up top and dry or or you know a little firmer, but uh if you go back and watch some of the coverage this year, there are a lot of three putts on that 17th green six, seven feet by 12th green historically a little slower. Uh the 15th green was rock hard. That thing was so firm. It was one of the new greens this year. Um which you know, I mean that area shrinks up so much when you’re in a slightly into the grain downhill lie with a lob wedge trying to land in this little tabletop. So just things like that that I put in my book to take next year are are great. And you know there’s so many angles like every par five there’s no bunker in the layup area and there’s a you know minimum 100 yard wide area that you can lay up in. So you know it’s one of the few golf courses on tour where you’re actually shading one side or the other and like how you play the the right pin on number two versus the left pin number two. You’re aiming you know 80 yards different spot in some some scenarios. So, it’s really interesting golf course. Yeah, that is uh it’s funny to hear. It’s always interesting to hear people talk about playing that course, being there in the tournament time. And I know, you know, I I had read a few things and times that you had talked about you said you were watching some old YouTube footage even to try to like get that knowledge and then when you’re there, I mean, how it feels like it was still quite different from maybe what you perceived even doing that kind of research. Totally. Like um another interesting one is the backlft pin on 16. Um so the first thing Scout did is he put some balls in that bunker and just we picked a spot on the slope that I just hit the bunker shot to. And usually short side or bunker shot pin three off the edge it’s it’s auto bogey but there it’s almost you’re trying to make it because you just put it up in the back slope and it comes back. So kind of convincing myself of those counterintuitive spots. Um, you know, hitting shots like like one of the most fun shots I hit was the 4 iron on I think it was Sunday back right pin on two. Um, I hit it to 4 feet and missed the 4-footer, but it was still really cool to hit that 4 and see it curl in there. Um, that was another thing that was hard is how far outside the hole you have to start some of those short putts. Like it was just really uncomfortable for me and something I want to practice before I go back next year. But like when you’re you’re hitting a three-footer and you’re starting at two balls out left, it does not feel right. God, I can’t even imagine. Especially in that environment, you’re you’re as probably, you know, hyped up and nervous as you’ve been and those misses. I mean, you know, you miss a green with an iron or whatever, it’s one thing, but you miss a short one. Even though in your head you’re like, that was harder than a lot of 10-footers, you know, mentally, you’re just like, ah, how are we going to get over that? Um, I do want to get into, you know, we’re about to enter a Lynx golf phase of the year. you know, we’ve got uh Scottish Open. It’s going to go we’re going from talking about, you know, to um Augusta and, you know, hitting over water to rock hard greens and trying to stop it on the, you know, now we’re going to be for the next uh few weeks after this week, it’s going to be at Scottish Open, Open Championship. How do you how do you try to gear up for kind of the Lynx golf a change, man? Know you’ve played the Open Championship before. What’s kind of your uh your mindset going in and getting ready for this couple weeks? Lynx golf is fun. Uh the way you control distance and direction is so different because the wind is so much stronger and heavier. Um yeah, in the States you’re controlling distance with speed and sometimes with shape, but over there you can have so much wind off the right that you’re like, I can make a sixiron or a seven iron work depending on, you know, kind of how I flight that ball in there. uh even with the same type of swing. Um it’s really the lag putting Olympics because every area around the green plus 10 yards is is a putt and you’re putting up and over something and putting with wind, you know, a little wider stance. Um probably a little more hit in the stroke than normal uh slower greens. You change your mindset with fairway bunkers. You know, those are almost water hazards. uh as opposed to just normal like sometimes normal tour event you’d rather be in the bucker than the rough because you can actually put spin on it. But um kind of plotting your way around there, hit some more three irons, but really you don’t hit the ball as low in my experience at least as you might think. Uh you you see those really cool stingers, but the thing is the fairways are so firm. If you hit one with a 30 foot apex and it runs 150 yards, now there’s 150 yards worth of bunkers that are in play. So, it’s really about kind of controlling the shape to make sure the ball’s, you know, feeding down the right corridor and you can eliminate as many of those hazards as possible as it is just like hitting it under the wind. You mentioned sort of the lag putting and it’s uh, you know, you got to hit it a little more. Have you experimented at all? Sometimes we’ve seen guys put lead tape on their putter. Have you experimented with any kind of tweaks like that? I’ve experimented way too much with the putting. I had the same putter for about seven years and uh I I kept you know I changed putters six five or six times in the last year kind of trying to find a feel after changing golf balls change to a softer golf balls trying to find a feel and I I just went back to that old putter there. There’s nothing like the old trusty. So, I’m I’m very very, you know, going forward going to be very loyal when it comes to that that feel because you just build up that feel and that touch with the same look and the same shape and the way it swings and everything. Um, the hit is a little bit more reactionary. So, when it’s slower greens, um, you kind of a long flowy stroke doesn’t work as well when you’re getting buffeted to by the wind. And sometimes you have to react to a wind gust. You know, if you feel a a strong gust off the left and you’re hitting a six-footer, you have to pull it just a little bit to try and keep it online cuz that wind gust can blow it a full ball. So, um there’s definitely a little bit of more reactivity in the putting over there than than there was in the States. Uh what kind of like you know I know we talked about going into the Masters in Augusta and watching you do any of that type of uh research prep going in or do you kind of you you and Scout you and your brother kind of chop it up over dinner yet or you kind of just relaxing for a week or two? Uh Scout just told me to to hit a few more three irons this week than Southern Woods because uh that 150 apex isn’t as good over there but uh no no we’ll see when we get there. I think the Scottish is going to be a great precursor to the uh to the open one to get on a time zone. I’m in Pacific time, so it’s going to be an 8 hour time change and just, you know, prepare for maybe having that 6:50 a.m. tea time on Thursday. I’ll do that. I’ll I’ll hit a bunch of short game shots. I’ll uh pay a lot of attention to to how the numbers are going. But really, yeah, I played I think nine out of 13 weeks and uh this is my second of two weeks off and then playing six out of seven to finish the year. So, I’m staying sharp. I’m I’m playing, you know, most playing 18 holes just about every day, but this is uh as the hat says, I’m I’m out of office this week. I’m I’m hanging out with the family and uh and and trying to recharge before a pretty big push here at the end. So, you know, speaking of pretty big push here at the end in uh at Riviera, you and JT had a nice little back and forth. He was commenting on uh Century High, I think you would have beat him nine and eight after being one down through one hole. you had a great response just saying, you know, having a team like that uh in in New York this fall wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Uh you’re, I believe, what is it, 11th maybe in points right now? There’s a uh a lot of chatter as there always is. People are kind of starting to ramp up their their thoughts, their takes on who should be on the RDER Cup team, you know. Have you done any any lobbying? Have you heard much from Keegan? cuz I imagine in the last five, six, eight years, whatever it’s been, feels like with all the international teams, there’s there’s a lot more kind of prederup week camaraderie. There’s more like dinners now, even 6 months out, and there’s uh getting fitted for clothing, and you kind of talk about people uh looking into that. What does that mean? So, what’s kind of your relationship been with Keegan with sort of where you think you might be at with the Ryder Cup team? Keegan has done an awesome job um making this something that’s in the forefront of all of our minds starting in February. I mean, this is this has been on everyone’s radar um that early and I think you can see how many guys are are starting to play well and make a big push here at the end. It’s something everyone wants to do. He’s made it a point for kind of the more experienced guys or kind of the locks on the team to to reach out and and spend a bunch of time with guys who uh haven’t been, you know, on the team before and have a chance to make it. Uh, I think you’re seeing a bunch of guys playing really good right now, which is exciting for the US team. A bunch of different skill sets. The dinner at at uh, truest this year was really cool. Keegan kind of talked about what the uh, what the Ryder Cup means to to him and what it means to New York and everybody. And it it’d be great to make the team, but uh, it’d be even better to win a lot of points there. So, the goal isn’t to just make the team. The goal is to uh to put up a bunch of points. So, that’s ultimate goal. Let’s let’s dial in that putting. Let’s make a lot of uh good 10 to 15 footers because that’s really what swings the momentum over there. Drive it really good because that’s what Beth Paige demands and uh let’s go win that let’s go win that thing. I love that. I love that attitude. Yeah, it’s it’s true. You don’t want to just get on the team. You want to win some points for that team. You know, we need a we need a W. It feels like that’s going to be wild, man. That whole setting up there is going to be as intense as it gets. This is one, you know, we’ve been doing this show for eight plus years now, and I feel like six years ago, we started talking about circling the calendar being like, man, that that Rder Cup and Beth Paige is going to be crazy. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, the the New York fans will be pretty special to play in front of. Side note, I think it’s crazy that the tour doesn’t play more in the Northeast with the sports fans and and everything that we’ve got going up there, but uh it’s going to be a really cool special event. It’s cool that it’s a local public golf course and uh you know I’m so excited. It’s the team’s looking really good. Uh I would love to be paired with any of them. Um if I if I get the opportunity and uh if I’m the the right guy come September, I’m going to do everything I can to to win a bunch of points. Yeah, it’s a great point. I agree with that about the Northeast in New England. You know, I I lived in Boston for 10 years or so and when they used to have the event up there, it was always, you know, go-to for everyone. It was like that time of the year where, you know, up there it was pretty much but you know Red Sox baseball was the only thing going on like hockey hadn’t started, basketball hadn’t started. It was kind of in the in the late part of summer. Um I know the Travelers Championship gets about as much of that, you know, attention as as anything can get up there now and the fans are awesome. All the players always talk about it, but I do think going forward, you know, I know they they condensed the playoff schedule and that kind of got rid of one of the stops that used to go up to the area all the time. But I have to guess in the next 3, five years, they’re going to really try to reverse that because I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s like some of the most passionate, awesome fans that we got sports-wise in the whole country are up there. And the torch just very, very rarely goes up there. Totally. And and they love golf and the golf courses up in that part of the country are unbelievable. So, um I’m I’m sure that uh there’s a huge opportunity there and I’m really hopeful we get to go play some more golf up there soon. I mean, even the atmosphere at at Liberty National was so cool. We got to play uh that golf tournament and TPC Boston’s a little bit out of the way, but still same thing. Super fun. So, I think I think there’s some some good stuff coming there. All right, Mav. Well, I know it’s out of the office like you said, so you’re kind of relaxing a little bit and then gearing up for this final stretch. So, to take some time, chat with us about golf and everything. It’s great insight. Um, you’ve had just a hell of a year. So, congratulations and all the great play and yeah, man. Hopefully, we’ll see you on that on that Ryder Cup team at Beth Paige. That’s the plan. I’m do everything I can. So, thank you. Appreciate it. All right, Maverick. Thank you. Appreciate it.
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Oh your cheap microphones keep breaking? STOP BUYING THE CHEAP MICROPHONES. How was that even a talking point?
Shout out Riggs for being back and able to carry the pod
It didn’t show up on Amazon music gentleman 🙂
LPGA vs scratch golfer would also depend on pin positions and firmness of course. LPGA pins arent nearly as difficult as PGA pins due to the difference of shot height/spin. That being said a scratch golfer likely loses but a + handicap (depending on length) has a chance to beat them at one round at 7200+ yards
I’m playing in the us open @ Bethpage Black…the entire dream, I can’t find a way through the grand stands to get to the tee for my tee time It’s torture!!
Theres no way a scratch golfer beats an LPGA player at their distance right?
Who the hell calls a baby girl Rory? Wtf ahahahahahahahahaha
It’s funny how these bros say normal people do not understand the handicap system, and then they themselves do not understand it
On almost any course, the men’s handicap is 6 strokes higher than the women from the same tees
A scratch man, according to the handicap system, is usually around a +6 woman – which is what lpga tour pros are.
Get a true scratch like me (only with tournament scores) and we will see.
Please let me play with Charlie. 👉👈
It baffles me how Riggs HC has stayed at a 4… I don't recall hearing it has changed in the last 5 years.
Jerry is the worst
Lol. Enough of glazing homa
FYI Frankie the ringing in the ears was probably a drug called lidocaine. It makes the sedative drug burn much less for some people.
Gotta see Jersey Jerry 285 “Baby Cut”
Riggs, Trent, Frankie, B jones and co. That all you boys need.
Ive been saying it for a while now….Jersey Jerry will be the best golfer of the crew, he has the best technique already
Of course they never mentioned the 106 from Riggs when talking about his rounds this summer
the college vs nfl match did happen.
it was a yearly event consisting of college all stars vs the NFL champions.
there were 42 games played from 1934-1976.
From ‘64 on, the NFL won every game.
The total matchup record was NFL 31- College 9, with two ties.
Riggs is a 4 handicap in his own mind…probably because he doesn't count balls hit OB, mishit shots, missed short putts, etc. I bet he doesn't log any rounds over 80.
The server nightmare is so real
almost spit out my coffee @56:00