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It just don’t hang with Aaron and Dave Welcome to the elevated news podcast with two dope dudes. We’re your source for Midwest canvas news culture and more. I’m Aaron. I’m Dave Hey, what’s up, buddy? How are you? I’m pretty good, man. How are you? Oh, dude, uh, I’m excited tomorrow 710 I’m gonna smoke hash all day Yeah No, actually a shout out to city trees and the GMO that I got this weekend at the Terrapin flyers show from them Like it fucking great. You got to try it. I’ll be over later MOS my jam. Yeah, how was your weekend dude? Good. Yeah for July weekend for July weekend family Friends big ace pots everything. Yeah. Shout out to big ace pots. Congrats Yeah, get the monkey off the back. That’s it. No, no, no, we I run a disc golf league around here and We get 30 40 people a week Sometimes it’s kind of max sometimes in the winter it’s 15 whatever but we collect a dollar for every time somebody Throws for this one Specific shot and it finally just got hit after three You can do math if you’d like to on how much that ends up being for somebody But it was a healthy chunk of change for young man. It was very exciting. Everybody around was pretty excited But yeah, super cool. Oh, yeah, dude How about you? You know Terrapin flyers show on Friday Hanging out at sessions on Saturday And I went to mr. CBD’s first anniversary party at honeycomb hideout also cool Yeah, I went to sessions and there yeah, super cool. Got to see lots of friends Shout out to mr. CBD in his first anniversary should be opening up that North Aurora shop here soon. So Will be awesome but uh Shit, dude I want to get into let’s let’s get through YouTube comments because we got one that I told them that we would Get to on the next episode that we got to answer and then we have a guest today that I’m excited to talk to you Somebody who has worked in different cultivation facilities In and around the state and since I’m a grower, I love learning from people who know more than me So I’m excited to talk about this or talk with them. So let’s get our Let’s get into that and then we can get into our guests. I’m good. Oh, yeah. Awesome Let me there we go pop pop pop pop Hey, look at that. Uh Like 809 views on the last episode doing good. Yeah Shut down hi-fi had a question man best source of cannon knowledge and easy to understand Love the CBD and PTSD talk Curious how CBG could be used or added. Thanks again guys Yeah, I think that’s the whole thing like all excess cannabinoids deserve a shake Start the CBG, you know that CBG is like the mother cannabinoid, right? If you go back into know your cannabinoids with Dave That’s what we learned that CBG is like the mother cannabinoid and it kind of helps carry all the different cannabinoids With it right and it’s also yeah, it’s like the precursor but it’s it’s also very effective in the Thought Process and the the kind of clarity type of thing. That’s what a lot of CBG is at least marketed towards is your kind of Mental clarity and and also kind of anti-inflammatory but Yes, I you’re absolutely spot-on shite down. Hi-fi has been a yep. Love this guy right now But I yeah, I mean absolutely that the thing is with what’s beautiful about this plant is if what I started off saying with CBD or THC or If that doesn’t work then you go to CBG if CBG doesn’t work THC V might also be another very You know cognitively Also binding more in the CB ones, right? So more of a neuro protectant, but Yeah, I there’s plenty of excess cannabinoids if that could be spoken on The reason I don’t talk about them typically and CBG is probably one I should speak on more THC V is probably one I should speak on more CBN I talked to a little bit But it’s because of their availability Yeah, a lot of places just don’t you just don’t have access to excess cannabinoids sometimes well Luckily, we have somebody who knows I believe a bunch about CBN coming on later. So that’s good Here is a the next comment from Simon Richardson 5203 I’m in the UK. I’m a medical cannabis patient for PTSD It’s quite a new thing here to be able to legally carry and use it without fear of arrest I had to jump through some hoops, but there are a lot loads of private medical companies able to provide this service here now That’s so awesome. Yeah, I’m honestly how cool to be in UK right now. Yep Shout out to our friends in Germany to watching They’ve commented a couple times that they they watch from Germany so probably probably some of the Some of the cool German breeders that follow me on Instagram. I’m assuming oh Yeah, yeah coal memo another week goes by time for a new episode of the elevated news podcast. Happy week of the 4th of July John Voight shout out John Voight best cannabis news out there Fun fact my Illinois dispensary has more Iowa license plates in Illinois great show guys always gives me a good laugh Oh, and you you nailed that like that’s right. I’m your border hunters. Yep Skibbity bebop was waiting for us And and then satisfied mind Gator Got to be insta Gator II Do you remember that from the last episode yeah, yeah, okay, all right so it was awesome all right cool All right so that and then shout out to everybody in chat mister mister work Shiteown hi-fi Just Nick DJ. Dr. Dank nuggs Coal memo I was there Who else miss anybody incognito like that? I like that got a lot macho grams Sure Gary Cornet yeah, say Brandon Krieger Yeah, yeah daily homegrown All right, yeah, that’s it sick. It’s water all right cool, so You ready to bring in our guest Oh 100% cool This is uh you just saw him comment on one of our YouTube videos Always waiting still was waiting back still waiting backstage right now, and this is another person shout out to people listening To the instructions if you ever want to be on the show if you got a story to tell We’re happy to talk to you two dope dudes podcast at gmail. com skibbity E-mailed me and said hey, dude. I’d love to talk about some stuff. I used to work in cultivation I said hell yeah, dude. Let’s do it so without any further ado Skibbity what’s up, buddy? How are you? Hey? Hey? Dude doing well doing well on this This day trying to trying to get a little bit more high no doubt Hell yeah, all right man, so you got to do it. We got to introduce you you got to introduce yourself Yeah, you explain where you’re from what you’ve done and Or at least as much as you feel comfortable Explaining you know well you know like born and raised in Kentucky Started smoking kind of late in life. You know I was like 17 18 or so, but then like Grandma ended up getting diagnosed with cancer in 07 went through chemo She ended up like smoking a little bit it helped with her so she ended up getting like re-diagnosed in 2012 and that’s whenever I really like started growing and dabbling in it and you know seeing what kind of benefits it could do for and This guy used to know name Ron You know took me under his belt you know old trapper and everything like grassroots grower like you know gorilla grower bushwhacking oh yeah, and I’ve just been going at it from there. You know still caring for grandma trying to help people where I can Making you’re still caring for grandma. Yeah, yeah, she’s still she’s still at it still Awesome And caring for grandma with cannabis. She said yeah, yeah, perfect. Yeah, homegrown for sure all the way nice are What can I ask what methods of ingestion or is it? Rso like predominantly a lot of RSO And then you know shit. She’ll like vaporize occasionally or something Yeah Awesome. Are you I don’t I don’t want to ask you my The RSO you’re getting is it all THC or is it are you getting some exes? It’s full spec It’s all full spec like I at least I try you know Yeah, a lot of it is like you know me like batching it up myself But like I know some people that are better at it and everything too It’s just it all just kind of depends on what I have available and like what I can do and what I can get Yeah, you can take it can take quite a lot of equipment to you know to do you know It’s definitely you can definitely do it Kind of gorilla. I mean, you know with regular glass jars and stuff, but it is Not as easy it is not as clean and it really like, you know Everything I’ve heard and read and listened to people talk about with RSO is like you’re gonna do it You have to make it as clean as possible because it’s real medicine for people and it like yeah Shout out dude, man respect. Yeah big respect to you for you’re doing that. That’s awesome. I Would I would love to get to that point where I am able to do that for sure I mean, yeah, it all comes with time like and that’s the thing. It’s a education and spreading it and I Don’t know people just want and I actually help each other instead of just make money Well, I think that’s the difference between You know people who are in the cannabis Community and then people who are in the like corporate cannabis community or the like retail cannabis community, you know There’s there’s still people like us that are trying to help me in those places They have competitors and now yeah in those places, which is not like and again that’s that is what the corporate world leads you to do and that is where the And if I like I said for me I’ve always said go ahead do it because again to it still is access to cannabis in some regards and I think that they’re limited by some weird limitations to begin with too, so whatever but My perspective on it is if they were to do this the way that you’re speaking about it as a community and all of the 20 big licenses work together with the 50 small licenses so that we could reform cannabis laws and make it more progressive for everybody that Everybody would profit more right but instead Competing with you cutthroating against you, you know my data versus your data Which is you know, alright anyway, that’s just my take heck them They’re not mean. Yeah But you know Growing growing is the is is the one thing that You know, it’s it’s almost it’s just starting to get to the point where it’s getting cutthroat again. I feel like there’s enough of the actual home growers where there’s still that Sort of love in the community, but I think it’s I Think I think we saw this big explosion of home growers There during the the Dark Ages there a few years ago. And now that that’s starting to die off I think we’re starting to see it become more cutthroat and we’re starting to see more people I think the breathe like the like the growers are starting to lose money And so they’re starting to be a little bit more cutthroat about you know their strains and their seeds and their You know their junk at least that’s that’s that’s what I’ve seen up here and in kind of our communities I was saying it like years ago. I feel like that’s why I like auto flowers became so prevalent like yeah They’re easier to grow and like it’s like a quick turnaround but at the end of the day you always got to go back to that seed company or whatever company in general if you’re one like Auto flowers unless you’re breeding or you have like access to pollen Like you know, so it’s like it’s all about control Yeah, right Well, how do you how do you feel about do you do you think do you think any of this new legislation is gonna? Have you seen what they’ve talked about and what they’re trying to do in the new farm bill where they want to ban? Basically all the seeds like it’s gonna make it hard for all the seeds Yeah, and that’s the thing. It’s like and like I understand why like I don’t know anything where there’s money involved there’s always corruption and violence and stuff and just misuse of it so like I get it it’s just It’s the story as old as time, you know, yeah They’re still gonna adapt like It always has been always has been like Just because it’s so easy to get seeds now, but that’s only been in the last what 15 years Honestly, that’s what they say like if they do like change like the the farmer bill and everything like I’ll shut down the website and stop like You know and stop selling souvenirs and stuff go back to the forums and you know The underground places and continue to do what you do well, not even like and I say I just like help the people that I know it’s like Whenever I felt like I could help people farther away I did but if like people if the government wants to crack down on the Governmental crackdown and I’ll just take care of the people that I can take care of. I mean In the long run. That’s all you can do is is take care of people like local to you and like locally is how you implement change in some way, you know, so like If you have the ability to help people greater than do it and if not, you know help the people around you I mean, that’s that’s the story for fucking life, man You know, but I think that that might be like a growers perspective too because we’re cultivators of death We have this death cycle. We like Take them from seed grow them up kill them cultivate them. It’s done and over with we understand it. It’s just another cycle Take I make mine a really long cycle sometimes though, you know I’ve got plants that have been around a few years now that like I’ll flower out like revenge and they got like some crazy structure on them and like they’ve been around like a solid three years then I’ll take cuttings off of them and stuff and Thanks. I don’t like necessarily the death of it I like to find the beautiful and then keep the beautiful alive for as long sure Yeah, I’ve got I’ve got a couple moms that I’ve had I’ve got one mom that I’ve been keeping for about a year and a half now two years and You know, she’s still alive somehow but you know We still like take cuts from them and then flower them out and we you know kill them and if we got a mom, you know It’s just that cycle I think I’m just like the longer cycle. I don’t like the immediacy of it Everybody’s just so worried about the right now instead of like just take the time and everything in moderation A lot of you know these days smoke too much and they’re too hooked on like high THC percentages when? You need more minor like minor cannabinoids less THC like probably should smoke less, you know like a lot of people It’s literally in their model to make it as much THC as possible which we understand breaks the tolerance which makes you then forcefully go back and seek more of that THC to hit some same level of whatever you’re seeking and I think that that is it’s you know It’s the same reason chilies puts extra salt on their food so that you drink more beers, right? Like it’s just this catch-22. I’m just gonna keep pumping it and for us we’re like wow Salty foods great and the beers are great. I just keep chugging them whatever but at the end of it, you know What is that doing to the? longevity, right Everything’s got its place too. It’s like in my experience like you do need Or from everything that I’ve read, you know, like super high like THC concentrations You know do help keep like cancer cells from like replicating and stuff Like it slows it down like so like THC does have its use. It’s just Everything in moderation man. Oh, no, it’s like everybody’s different and everybody’s just got to find their place and what works To that point to I One thing cancers like hundreds of things right like there’s and That is why people like and I’ve been highlighting him a bunch throughout my time doing stuff. But recently Daddy, Miri is a guy from Jerusalem The he has been doing some direct Cannabinoid research with direct cancer types, right? So That is where I think the future of Understanding cannabis would make it super acceptable for everybody, right if we can speak on results And that’s his whole mission is to find result based evidence And to present it to the masses in a in a digestible way where we can go. Oh well CBG is better at breast cancer THCV is better at brain cancer and like to have those elevated things where currently what’s mostly available THC or CBD and then everybody goes well Rick Simpson said THC and I’m like guys I hear what you’re saying but read through the property list of what Cannabinoids are capable of through all scientists and you will see a commonality That is CBD has a bunch of anti cancerous anti-tumoral properties in and of itself But it plays a different role in what’s going on it plays more of a referee where THC Helps be the promoter of things like apoptosis Which helps promote healthy cell structure and and the and even either the deterioration of bad cell structure right, it helps blow up bad cells so like There’s almost cause for both of them being available because that’s what we currently have available. Right? So like until that Goes until we have Dettie Miri’s Findings right in just everywhere And there’s plenty of other people that are doing it But until we have his findings out in the face where everybody can go duh just pick up his Conversation about breast cancer. That’s what you have going on But like so, you know the future of cannabis looks bright I for me and like those uses but currently there’s a lot of brightness, right? We’re seeing some glory stories and you’re seeing one with grandma right in front of you right like where there is some level of health obtained from this thing and And like getting back to back onto it like different cannabinoids for different things, you know And like a lot of people don’t don’t like, you know Sorry, I’m stuttering CBD because uh, I don’t know because it doesn’t and nobody feels high and everything but for me like CBD and CBN like that’s I broke my back in 2017. So my met like my medical card That’s what I go for. Like I need something that’s gonna like some naturally like a active person sunny something’s gonna like settle me down and relieve my joints after a long day and the CBN like CBN or like Decrease your THC tolerance like it’ll it’ll it’ll make you more tolerable the THC which I like personally so You know, it’s just everybody’s just got a Well, I’d like more research on it all and pharmaceutical companies. Well, I’m sure make synthetics of it Yeah, we had we had a guy on Couple of months back his name’s Alex if you ever if you’ve seen the episode or if you didn’t I recommend going to check it out, but Alex is a masterclass. Yeah. Yeah. He’s a genius when it comes to this stuff, but he was talking about how you can change the Was it wheat or something like that into? THC are you talking about crisper? Yeah with crisper, right? So you’re doing gene gene editing pretty much and you’re you’re fucking manipulating Something that is so abundantly available Into the thing that the masses are asking for currently right when we’re saying we’re THC hunters. Give me 35% Well, then it makes better sense to get THC from a Easier source, right? Like if that’s all that it is is THC. Isn’t that more of a byproduct of the government taxing? regulated cannabis by THC percentage I mean like like can can we argue that I mean yes the masses but like we also lead the masses to To like we know that they’re gonna go for the biggest number because the masses are dumb. I’m sorry the masses but Like you realize not Sometimes I like the ones that are X anyway less accurate like or more accurate like testing labels in my experience You know, I mean, I don’t care I have I have have had plenty of friends that have worked in cultivation facilities all over, Illinois I have had plenty of friends who have legal hemp farms all over, Illinois. And so I intricately understand That the testing doesn’t mean shit Literally I could give a fuck about when and what top you chose and And who you chose to come test it I don’t care about any testing in Illinois It’s all garbage. This is this is why and what sorry what specifically what we’re talking about with with Alex and the crisper You fucking take all of that away because you’re now we’re measuring the molecular weight of a singular product Because the confusion is and I think that there is just a basic misunderstanding of math that goes on and I’m not trying to hate on anybody but What is 35% of? THC me see everybody thinks it’s just some potency of THC like THC is just fucking THC Period like the potency of it is its own potency how much you consume of it is it makes it more? Abundantly there but like THC is just only fucking THC. So like it’s like alcohol percentage by volume, you know Literally what it is, I mean so if We can eliminate all other mass in the product and only leave behind THC Then you can have as much of it as you want. My guesstimation is that process gets used more for It I don’t imagine it being a inhalation thing, right? like I imagine inhalable products coming from Plant material and people being only safe with it coming from plant material forever That’s my idea behind it But I think those things go into every edible that exists from now until forever once that once that fucking thing gets accepted Why would you take nine months or six months or however long your grow cycle is three months three years? To grow a plant when you can literally harvest an entire fields worth of wheat change the motherfucker into THC overnight and then like have it available right like and we takes time to grow too, but There was that Canadian structure that I haven’t looked back into it. I’m pretty sure I watched that episode where they were like Developing a synthetic way to grow just the THC and like a crystalline structure would know like plant and like plant needed You know, like like like in a dish. Yeah, like essentially Mm-hmm and and see but I like to see you know Because I don’t know we everybody focus on THC and like cuz like CBN it comes from like deck like Like cured and aged like THC So like you know That’s what a lot of the reason why like I don’t like commercial button because it’s all like pressure I like my stuff to be a little bit aged and degre like Degregated a lot of people say like I grow my plants too long like and it’s over ripe and everything It’s because like I don’t know I’m growing for different things Thank you. So like if you’re just growing like it would source the weed I thing, you know, I don’t know But yeah, you can grow THC, but you could also like harvest that wheat early or whatever For CBG or like let the light hit like what you be allied hit it and maybe Process it and get more CBN and then you normally put off of like a cannabis plant or something So like that’s what’s exciting to me about it. Like maybe just overall like output of it and people stop focusing so much I’m just like cannabis and THC and focus on some of the other and when I was I don’t know I Have a question you mentioned UV light. So Do you do you grow indoors? Yeah, I mean, I’m throwing multiple medias and more outdoor So how do you feel about UV lights like you like UV blue or UV? I know UV red or big with the Grandmaster LEDs now Yeah, I mean I like all mix, you know Like there’s a far-red and then I like you like the small bursts like UV a and B towards the end. Yeah Do you are you like Do you like to keep it on for a while or you like a 15 minutes when it wakes up kind of thing? And then like as far as as far as UV, yeah, it’s real sure In like short bursts like that, okay And it’s like in the beginning and but it’s usually like towards the end like simulating like afternoon light You know and write UV sunlight and like late afternoon. That’s what I’m trying to go for So you like to do it like in the middle of the in the middle of the cycle? Yeah, like it just space it out to where it doesn’t burn it. Okay. No, I just like to ask because like if you look online Nobody talks about like using UV light while they do but like it there’s no like hey, this is how I do it. It’s just like You know, I’m gonna try it so there’s different ways to do it I was like it was people best It’s like towards the end of the light cycle like before you know Like an hour or two before your lights will flip flip off I like to do like an hour and like it’ll flip on in five minute intervals for like the last hour of The of the daylight cycle It’s a it’s what I shoot for but it doesn’t always work But it depends on the plants and how they’re reacting to it And if I see like more triclone production on it, you know, it’ll just it all ends Yeah, it all depends on you know that run etc, etc But it like, you know I like to know what other people are doing so I can try new stuff in my bed Because I’ve run it with and without and then I’m a dumb stoner and I’ll leave them on for too fucking long overnight and shit Oh, yeah, absolutely, you know, but you know, usually it goes pretty well But you know, I like to experiment a little bit. But yeah, like our red, you know like 700 to 720 for like the blush light foliage and everything and then the other way like uva uvb Or like, you know like plant protection, you know to my own production, you know, it’s like trying to shield itself Yeah, I have the supplemental ones for the spider farmer. Yeah, I got like a photon tech that I use these days Nice, nice. Yeah, I’m I’m in a new spot. So I’m just learning What’s wrong with this place and how I can grow successfully? So, you know, I’m on I’m on the first run right now, so we’ll see Yeah, it’s going okay. It’s going okay. I only got a couple lights up. So that’s all I need You know, I don’t need to get crazy. Oh, no, I mean when you can’t get crazy. We’re in Illinois That’s the thing like they don’t let you get crazy. No, they don’t let you get crazy at all No, try being a breeder and only being allowed to grow like five plants at a time. Like it’ll really fucking slow you down Yeah, that’s what I hear. That’s what I hear. I Think I think more up Up Towards Chicago less people care because there’s no office of checking to see if who’s who’s what? and I think the only time people really get in too much trouble is when they’re Doing too many things, you know what I mean? I know you don’t gotta say it. I know what you know what I know what you see plenty of good people get popped Yeah, I always say do one thing good just you know concentrate on one thing everything else will come you gotta do one thing good When you get too crazy, that’s when it gets too crazy, right? It’s fine. Like whenever I moved up here, I’m like, I’m by the book, you know, yeah And then you know you get into the industry and you see how like shady the industry is and like if you play ball They’ll play ball. But as soon as you go against him, like it’s funny how people start falling off. Yeah I don’t know man, but yeah, they really do They really do. I I’ve had plenty of friends. I had a buddy who worked worked he was the head cultivator up here and you know for a Place and he was there for a couple years and then just like Everything else, you know, it just it falls off and they they burn another one and they bring in another person It’s just another cycle. There’s always somebody willing to do the job for cheap. Yeah, there’s always some guy who has you know the next the next guy who has a you know, whatever lineage of you know, chem or You know sourdee or you know Whatever to come in and run your cultivation facility and like the amount of like her like her me genetics being passed around It’s just like crazy and like I blame a lot of it unlike people breeding with like auto flowers and stuff trying to bleep like Like boost the the the flowering time, you know, like shorten the flowering time. So I don’t know it’s just like in the race for for production and Like a lot’s being lost and like a lot’s being like a lot of shortcuts are being taken I feel like the over-prevalence of STS being used to like spray a cut and like falling off of it like it’s causing a lot of like her me genetics and bottlenecks and Because people are buying f1s and f2s Mm-hmm from People that have just bought like some some clone off of somebody, you know in California and the genetics these days They’re all like it’s all one-dimensional and short-lived and half of it is the like How it’s grown and then the other half is what’s grown. Yeah yeah, but let’s put who’s growing it matters as much to because Yeah, I mean Yeah, I guess then whenever it comes to like a living soil and everything I’ll agree with that But whenever it comes to like hydroponics aeroponics and like cocoa where you’re just using crop salts and like following the formula Like you just need plant jockeys and that’s what most of these farms are all they want are some plant jockeys to get in there and do the work with three people for as little as possible and just turn and burn It’s the same same people who Are just plant jockeys also are people who don’t know mathematics and don’t understand how? dumping chemicals into certain places can cause massive failure of your entire operation and how long does it take to recover from that or recoup from that and like that’s my whole point is There is at some point if you want to pay somebody $15 an hour to do the job because that’s minimum wage or whatever You’re getting $15 an hour help and yeah Well, that’s the thing is that’s what they want because they don’t they don’t want people that know what the PGR is They’re using that they’re not supposed to be that they don’t want people that all like notice somebody Like swapping out the contents of a barrel with an unknown substance. That’s not being tested You know Like people are just paying attention to the labels on like a 55 gallon drum of product that’s coming in Like nobody’s actually paying attention to the contents that’s in it and what’s actually being used in the full your spray And what’s being mixed and why only like one person is allowed to mix it like yeah It’s your formula and it’s confidential but like what’s actually going in it Like why why do people slip off the cameras and why they’re in like thunderstorms? You know the cameras go offline and why doesn’t the state always have access to things? It’s just you know, there’s a lot bro. There’s a whole lot of why are we still why are we growing outdoors? Why are we going outdoors bro, I mean Shout out to Cole Cole was talking about it first. He was talking about it years ago. He’s like dude. I drove down there It’s crazy at least get like a Dutch greenhouse or something Like I get it and like in an extract you can strip a lot out and extract and just add the terp sauce back in And make it taste good. So like it’s all just comes down to production And if you’re I’ve always said because again if you clean things fine like you can clean it if it’s grown outdoors I hope you’re using that shit to fuck in For for edibles or some shitty vape carts or whatever you’re doing But we do know that there are also people who are selling that shit inside package There’s so much vaping concentrates running around that you can’t trust any of it Like I’d like to think it was all top shelf But it’s usually just bud that can’t sell or won’t sell or that has to go to extract or get irradiated To kill off mold spores. Yep This entire program is nothing more than a big recycling system And the premium shit that is First of all, it sucks because you don’t know what is premium versus what’s not premium unless you’re really plugged and you really know but Yeah, I mean like It’s all made up CPG bullshit. Like if the its consumer packaged goods, dude It’s if if the fucking package looks cute enough. I can sell it as something that is its quality. It’s good Look at how good it is. That’s why we changed all the names at Verano years ago So we didn’t know the lineages and they just sound fruity I mean at the farm I’ve seen I’ve seen them change the names of the lineage right in front of me You know like oh, yeah, it’s supposed to be bred with this Sorry that company owns that strain name We got to change the lineage of it now and like I understand part of it But like just can’t say East Coast sour diesel anymore. We have to say Albany sour diesel Where I saved it somewhere I just look for it the the Verano listed it’s absolutely straight like oh What is it Great, Illinois strain hunter on you read it. I think you’re right. Yep. Yep Something like that, but it was it was in literally It seemed like they gave each department of the cultivation center like hey go home think of a name and we’re gonna name this next rain and like because you could see it was like There was some tutti fruity shit whatever and then like it was like One of them it was hilarious It was like it was almost like the husband went home and he was like babe. I got this opportunity I’m gonna name it whatever and then her name was like sue or whatever and she’s like you better name it Sue strain and I don’t want to do that, but he definitely submitted it as whatever the hell it is if you find it I promise you you’re gonna let it that’s it’s just I just don’t even care about strain name or lineage You know like I’ve got some like landrace genetics from the like early 2000s that I got wrong and stuff and I That’s what I go with Yeah, I was looking at I was looking at Some of your pictures here. We have some of these plants. Can I pull these up? What like looking at pictures on the insta or no oh, yeah Yeah That’s all like I’ve got a lot more than that like most of my content like after the farm and everything most of it started getting flagged and taken down and stuff so Yeah Just saying you got some pretty plants here, man. Mm-hmm. You got some seeds here grown for Okay Saying you got some cool shit Those are all my males like the male plants are the only things that never really got reported Well, yeah, cuz there’s no bugs on them And that’s why I’m obviously showing them here on YouTube because I don’t you know None of this is for sale. Anyway, I see these are That’s all after I moved up here to Illinois and everything and started trying to get everything Re-established from the move that’s one of those wasps that stung the hot thing. Yeah the core core Or piece porpecia wasp means like a parasitic wasp Yeah, we had tomato plants outside one time and there was like two or three of those on him I was so I was kind of mortified to be quite honest. He was wild No, I’ve been trying to attract a lot of parasitic wasp One that really preys on like June bugs and their larva Yeah, no, I’m shout out I’m got to go to a farm flea today and get some of that powder for The June bug larva I sprayed neem oil all over my wild grapes yesterday because those motherfuckers Love it and see that’s nothing to do with my outdoor breeding Like I tried to do like I don’t do any soil amendment or anything I try to just do like all-natural like cover crop and like Jade like J damn and like like paying up and stuff like yeah I want the plant whenever I’m trying to breed them to be struggling as much as possible So that way like I know what its baseline is that way if everything’s right? I know it’ll be even better I can put up with the worst. Oh, no I Want the pest to be Adam like I want them to be like ate up I want the plants to be sending signals that like we got to produce something to stop these bugs from eating us I don’t want to help you on survival of the fittest Yeah, you’re doing it correctly. But yeah, she damn can if you’re talking right up my alley I got I got some ferments some new ferments from this new place here just Outside right now and some five-gallon buckets, you know, I got some some of the extra cherries I got some cherry ferment going and then I got some regular garden ferment going Big a big who will culture mound in my Back of the lot. So it’s just like all mounded up with lots of you know Carbon and lots of greens and we just pile on and pile on and pile on and it’s just great That’s something I never really got into until like I moved up here to Illinois and some of the people at the farm were into It yeah, that’s the thing I’ll like you’ll learn more from the people that you work around than you will from anybody in commercial cannabis, but I So I’m a bunch from from miles at fermented plant extracts I was lucky enough to be able to go out to Colorado and hang out with them and lucky enough to have him out here to teach a class and You know sometimes, you know, you just got to search that stuff out there stuff up in Michigan camp compost That’s coming up in August, you know, there’s things you can do Matt powers web web soil Or no, is that a lane a lane with these soil webs, you know? Everybody’s out there if you’re interested in it and go learn about it is all I’m trying to say look down That’s the thing. That’s like that’s the that’s the direction. I like to see cannabis going Away from the crop salts and like hydro that I grew up with and everything and more just towards the organic sustainable around I Mean it’s better for the environment and why not mimic nature because nature has been doing it way longer than us and If you can if you are able and it calls to you, you know, why not if if you can only grow with salts maybe that’s just like if you’re in an apartment and you don’t have access to all that stuff and You’re just trying to grow one plant, you know do what you do as long as you have access to the plant, right? It’s definitely yeah. Oh, yeah I’ll Agree with that. I’m just saying as far as like access to cannabis like if if that’s if that’s our like base Thing we all agree with we want more access to cannabis for people medicinally then then you have you almost have to say, okay well That’s the only way you can grow and as long as you’re flushing and you know Agree with you just as you’re saying like for the plans, but at the same time it pains me, but I’m like no I get it I’m like, I mean, I guess but Like don’t know when they hit it hard like I Mean, you know I know I have a I have a good friend who grows in earth boxes or and he at least used to do this He would grow all or like straight up Build a soil right through veg and as soon as flower hit he’d start dumping Athena Part B right down the tube of the earth box. Let me tell you these things would fucking dude. It’s crazy How you know but like is that not killing like all the life in like the earth Yeah, I was gonna say like is he not defeating the whole purpose of having the box if he’s doing that For Different reasons though, you know what I’m saying? Everybody grows for different reasons, but like, you know, yeah, I guess what’s that? Sing anak? Best of both worlds Yeah best of both worlds But like I mean that the thing is I like in the long run isn’t it just important that people Grow cannabis more people grow cannabis Good Yeah, I mean not everybody’s gonna be a hippie and want to do regenerative soil and care about you know You know saving the earth, you know, do same people, you know cry about I Actually, I don’t even want to put it that way because that sounds mean I’m saying on one hand people will complain about climate change But then on the other hand use Non-ethical salt-based nutrients that actually do more damage than your car. I Think it comes down to people, you know, like right people are just lazy and though so like how do you even argue that? Like how do you even argue with people when people do stuff like that? You can’t even are you’re like, alright, you’re gonna do whatever you want to do Nothing I say is gonna change your frickin mind. So just you know, I Think that’s how I feel about it You help the ones that’ll listen and you just wish the best for the ones that won’t Yeah, that’s why that’s why I try not to like shit on how people grow cuz I’m like You know what as long as you’re growing weed that when you harvest it You want to go to your like best friend’s house and smoke weed with them? Like if you can do that, then you’re growing good weed in in my opinion like if it’s good enough for that Fucking right on let’s go but keep it ugly baby syndrome, bro. You know, I mean, they’re just keep it up Yeah, I think the words that really know what they’re doing are always the ones that are scared too, you know what I mean Bingo like they’ve been doing it long enough and they know enough to wear like it’s like Every year I’ve moved up here like every year since I’ve been up here. I’ve been robbed dude So like I’m ready to get out of Illinois like I am God like I’ve got it in the works to get out of this state and it’s like No, man No that sucks That sucks, dude. Mmm. That’s just Illinois man. I mean It’s a I mean well you said you came from Kentucky and so Kentucky is the south and it’s just a different You know, I used to live like it’s still the south but Tennessee I’m like Baltimore I’m something about going back out to Baltimore and it’s like, you know how it is there. It’s slow motion It’s slow motion and then you get you you cross that line because I lived in South Carolina I lived in South Carolina and I used to ride my motorcycle all over the country and I’ve spent so much time in the south Memphis Low rock, you know Atlanta all over Once you get up north It’s just they just have a different mentality and it’s just sometimes it’s no telling and if you’re just not switched on And I like switch on even if you are switched on You you may get took Well, oh, you know what I’m saying? It’s a it’s cold in Illinois. You got to keep your heater on That’s all I’m saying it gets cold in Illinois They make it hard though, I know I know but you know what there’s lots of opportunity here and lots of money here And that’s that’s the great thing about Illinois because it is it is a hub especially the further north you come because of the Great Lakes, you know There’s very lots of opportunity and lots of lots of merchandise comes through this way through the through the boats and stuff So there’s always Traffic and interstate here, you know, mm-hmm It’s cool come up and visit sometime. It’ll be a hell of a hell man. I’ve gotten close to your times It’s just every time something always comes up where I got something to do at the house Hell yeah, there’s always shit going on Especially when you got a house, especially when you got outdoor plants and then with living soil It’s hard to take a break because you got to keep them motherfuckers wet Always rotating like like trying to keep something going at all times because you can’t just live off of what you’re able to grow So you do a lot of like landrace stuff, right I try like I’ve still got some but like I don’t have any like mother plants. It’s all from seed this point So like and it’s not like I have a wide seed selection to pick from anymore. It’s probably like Less than a hundred of each of my landraces left, you know, and like I’ll Flower some out and seed them up, but I don’t consider the seeds from something I flower still a landrace just because I don’t know like the mothers that I considered landraces. They you know, they’re from 2012 they’re gone now, you know, that’s what Ron had given me Yeah, like I breed from the lineage of them. But yeah That’s cool. Mm-hmm Do you are you prefer landrace? Yeah, I do like just I do out breeding, you know I don’t do like a lot of hybrid is like hybrid like hybrid on hybridization I do like out breeding or I’ll just like Somebody’s got a good like a good plant and I’ll throw that Genetics in with like my lines and see how it comes out and see how like those offspring do That’s awesome. I I hope to be able to get back To a point where I can start thinking about doing some breeding and stuff like that cuz I got some cool stuff I have access to some cool stuff, too You know, I’ve been keeping alive the Panama red that I got last year Oh, yeah, and I gave out a couple cuts of that and I know a few people grew it out So well, yeah, I’ve been trying to test out these triploid seeds that I got relatively recently Really? These are some triploid triangle push right now Okay, so I’m seeing how they do and how they like stack up to some like older I’m sure they’re gonna be more pretty and everything. But as far as just smoke ability, I saw some outdoor Hemp triploid plants last year And it was interesting is interesting. They didn’t do They didn’t seem to do well is kind of what I got but well, you know, and then the whole humbled seed You know fiasco last year too and That whole thing. So we’ll see. I don’t know. How are they doing for you? Well, it’s they’re pretty finicky, you know, they’re kinda Kind of finicky but once you they they like to be dialed in that’s for sure Yeah, they seem they seem almost too finicky. Like I don’t know they were only like chest-high too They’ve got some stretch on them now to be honest like they stretch like crazy like, you know, there’s there not There’s not a lot of foliage on them, but they got like a lot of stretch There’s some decent like node spacing and stuff. Like I’m used to it. I like indicas, you know I like plants from the mountains. I like my little stubby guys Yeah, these are like little Christmas trees like chest-high Christmas trees Yeah, see these that I got they’re like they’re spindly like, you know that they got some stretch to them it’s probably Four inches of nodal spacing on them So What sort of breeding projects have you done this year that you’re excited about Is there anything like that? You’re real excited that you’ve been doing? Not really, like I’m breed I’m bred my like hog heaven with some zittles. I’ve just been like, you know hunting it and everything and Just trying to find something that I’m that I like. I’m you know I wasn’t happy with the F3 like hog heaven. So like I’m gonna go back to the F2s and keep looking Five plants just slows you down I’d like to just have a field like, you know a thousand plants where I could just walk through and pick out the best Kill off the worst, but I got a slow roll it. I Mean you can still get an industrial hemp license. I mean not for the application fee. I mean, I’m not that guy Okay, yeah, I’m not that guy Fair fair and I don’t I don’t yeah, I don’t mean I’m just saying it’s still available Like I know people who are doing the hemp license last time I checked it was $40,000 No, no, no, it’s way less $1,000 $1,000. Oh see then I’d have to buy some property. Yeah You just need one acre. Mm-hmm Yeah I’d be down but now I Guess that I’m getting out of you know, Illinois, but hemp license. I’d be down with it These days Yeah, I’m not farming for THC percentage or anything, you know, I’m trying to get CBN and I’d like to overwrite them Let it like that greg a little bit degrade I Mean I mean, yeah, I can’t I don’t know But no, I know I know you can get a you can find it. Send me the link cuz like I’m looking right now I just it was just whenever I first moved up here is whenever I looked into it and everything So it has been a couple years. So like if it has like hook me up man Tell me I’ll throw some money if I end up not moving. We’ll see what happens I got some people that I mean least some land off of if you ever want to come up here I would love to show you some actual hemp farms. Well, I mean Like there were some in Kentucky and everything, you know that I like work for like vertical and stuff like that before they got shut down but I Like em farms hemp farms are cool. I’ve gotten to What is it? It’s just whenever you run into the shady aspect of them like everything Oh Application fee there’s a hundred dollar application fee for each non contiguous land area license fee cultivation and processing one year license registration $375 three year license $1,000 for hemp Yeah, I’ll be down not that much yeah one year 375 man, yeah one year 375 See see super easy and then you can do whatever you want Now you got to get some land man. You got to be that guy. No Yeah to start small at least out the land I wouldn’t get any here Yeah, no there that probably doesn’t make sense But hell yeah. All right, so we’re coming up towards the end of the show. Let’s do plugs real quick and then we’ll wrap up Skibbity Do you want people to get a hold of you at all that’s cool I honest to God assume that’s what you were going to say and that’s why I said it that way and so perfect You know I don’t I don’t claim to be master grower. You know I know there’s not a world’s information that I don’t know I just know what I know and like the plant so how are you doing it a while and That is what it is Yeah, and if you’re really interested You know talk to me and I’ll talk to him and I’ll tell you if I if I can send you their Instagram Because they do have some cool stuff I just wanted to tell you I appreciate if you’ve ever heard me talk about what I think people should be doing in the growing Space I think what you are doing is what I hope that people are doing which is Testing they push these plants to their limitations I’ve said exactly and you kind of nailed it to This plant is a product of its environment The same way the honey from a bee is just a product of its environment these plants kind of sap What is naturally around it and you said I push them to see if there’s pests around here that are hurting it Build some fucking resistance to this shit and those plants do exactly that so for you to be doing that kudos to you For you speaking on excess cannabinoids and Understanding that capturing this plant at its maximum peak of THC production is not always the best for what that plant wants to do Makes me also say double kudos to you brother There’s a lot more going on with this plant than just THC and or than just CBD As you said like your jam CBN. I know a lot of people I think mr CBD talks a lot about CBG being his jam and using it every morning with his coffee like he’s just you know certain people that just find their things that work for them and I believe the only way that people ever find that is if people like yourself keep pushing the norm and Making it so that the norm isn’t just a THC rich Plant that is again been PG art and sold it and what you know, I want something that is Good Obviously as they as a medical liaison or whatever I want to be able to represent this thing as cleanly and as medicinally as we can speak on it So kudos to you for making it possible by growing those things and making those genetics Exists out there, right? So thank you. And honestly, I think you’re way cooler Yeah Thanks for taking the time fellas. No, I’m just I’m just a middle-aged loser Like no, like, you know, just like I’ll just like we Being tough on yourself. I think honestly it’s it’s that mentality. It’s the same thing like When we go into something and we’re unsure of it, you know It makes us more sure at the end right? Like if we go in with a little bit of resist or a little bit of reserve It’s easier to actually get through to the end and I think by you saying that you’re going now I’m not that important while I’m sitting here going no no what you’re doing is as important Regardless if you know self-confidence or anything dude, you’re a badass in my eyes keep doing what you’re doing There’s an and the potential for you to help like you said the people around you But even people further by sharing your message by you being willing to come on here about your perspective on things That is what this shit needs, right? I don’t think there’s anything Loser about somebody willing to stand up and go listen. I Do what I do because it makes the most sense to me. I want to help people with this thing I’m not trying to fucking hurt nobody I’m not trying to take advantage of people and I’m tired of being hurt and shit on by others too, right? So like kudos to you, man. I think you’re doing some cool ass shit And again, thanks for sharing your perspective on this too because I yeah and loyal to the soil baby living soil and Shaddam and KNF that’s all the stuff that just just Warms the Lactobacillus in my heart, you know what I’m saying? And yeah, I’m just fermenting with love Hell yeah, no, it’s super cool What you guys are doing is way more important though I feel like let me just take the time to say, you know you guys sit there and you you you take the time and do the research and talk to people and Keep up with the laws and let lazy people like me just kind of pop up once a week and be like This is going on and then I just go back to my garden But that’s the great thing about living soil that I always tell people is that you can spend time in your garden doing what you? want listening to podcast and fucking around with the leaves and you know You know putting up Scrog nets and not having to measure out a bunch of shit and just putting some water in the soil, you know and just Just be a soil farmer and that’s that’s what living soil did for me And I think everybody should try it once you try you’ll be hooked I promise Yeah It’s a way of life. It is play us across your speakers to the plants I’ll even sing to him if you ask me to in the comments Whenever you guys are broadcasting like I usually just have it like brought up. So I’ll be at work or something So whenever like cues up like it’s just playing for the plants at the end of the day I’m usually not even around I have to re-watch it Oh Yeah, dude we do we do appreciate your comments and and I know you’ve been watching for quite a while and Yeah, dude We do appreciate your you and your story and anytime you want to come on and and hang out just let us know dude It’s super fun. Maybe one day more. I’ll get more in depth to it, you know and talk about like who like what it was but it did Exactly, yeah But we all had our first podcast so we completely understand and you know Let’s make fun of all the people who don’t have the balls to come on and talk It’s just like I said at the end of the day, I know I’m not doing anything Anything I shouldn’t be anymore so it’s like yeah, I’ll say what I can say. Yeah. Oh, yeah Dave anything else you want to wrap this bad boy up? Kudos all of you doing your thing out there and doing it, correct And thank you for all of you growers out there who share amongst yourselves how to be better right because again, it allows me as a non grower to represent To the people who are the consumers of the thing right there are plenty of people who will never put a seed into a pot or nothing, right so It we literally rely on all of you sharing this knowledge and continuing to grow Thanks again and best a best to grandma to man. Yeah for sure All all the users of cannabis who use this thing in that capacity who are actually using it for their health and I say actually like you’ve been diagnosed with something so I’m kudos to grandma for taking that step too because I don’t know what her Previous mindset was to things but to be open to this level of treatment and whatever is super cool And if you guys ever have questions about things or you’re ever looking for direct Scientific background right like I have a sourceful of where to find that information. So how we always ask appreciate you time Oh, yeah, we love you smoke weed. We love you all smoke weed every day. Peace poodle Yo, Ding Dong, we’re done here, time to go.