NFL QB RANKINGS: The official UCSS list of quarterbacks for the 2025 season

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— by the way, I don’t, I’m actually, I believe higher on Jalen Hurts than the average person is. I like Jalen Hurts a lot. I think he’s in that very good group, and I think he’s near the top of the very good group. I just don’t think he’s better than Burrow. He, he just doesn’t put up the numbers passing wise that like some of these elite quarterbacks do. He plays the position so much different, uh, than we’ve seen in the past. Like, I don’t know. I, I, I think that there’s a, there’s, I, I can see why people would put him in that elite group. Uh, ahead of Burr, I wouldn’t do that, but I can see it because the guys won a title and been to another one. Like Burr’s been to one. I get it, the team, all that stuff, but like what Jalen Hurts is able to do with his ability to lead that team and also, I mean the guy carries the football like 15 times a game. Yeah, you know, uh, so I, I think there’s a lot on his plate. There is, and I could even live with him being in the elite category, but I still put him below Burrow is that to me. I just don’t, I, I don’t see how if you’re looking at it fairly, and not that Burrow doesn’t have talent around him, obviously on offense, the Bengals have as good a talent as anybody, but if you look at the whole team, I mean, Philadelphia is way better than the Bengals. Uh, I mean, defense, it’s not even close. The Bengals have maybe 2 players that could play on that Philly defense, 3 at the most. So I, you know, it’s not a completely apples to apples thing, uh, but so we decided that we would make our own. Now Mike sent a text message to our entire team — and we mentioned it on the show to it
— on the show to G and Tyvis. And we asked everybody on the show to send their 32 quarterbacks ranked in order. We asked Earl, we asked Dustin, we asked me, we asked Mike asked himself, uh, we asked JG, Jason, and Titus, and only me, you and Earl sent in oh and Anthony, sorry. Uh, Dustin, G, Tyvis, Jay, Jason all failed to take on this, uh, yes, assignment, and you will, its current blame because you’re here. OK, but can I, can I also like get, get like, — I barely look at that text that the group
— chat right. That’s if you, I said that. I’ll give you that. — I was
— also in the rundown. So this morning you look yeah, just so you know, I usually get the run late when you send the rundown at night. Yep, I typically go, Cool, I’ll check in the morning. Perfect. And that’s what I do. And this morning I checked and I’m like, shit, I gotta send Mike something but I’m like, you know what, — he knows to send me a side
— texts. That’s true. Yeah, it’s OK though. So here’s how we did it. — The only
— one that surprised me, honestly, I knew Dustin wouldn’t do it. I knew G Bush wouldn’t do it, and I knew Ja Jay and Jason. Jason’s in Vegas. Well, — Jason
— wouldn’t have done it anyway. He, he, he might, he might have. I knew Jay wouldn’t do it. Uh, Tyvis was the one that surprised me that he didn’t do it. — So
— here’s how we did it. So we had both. And Earl and myself all ranked quarterbacks 1 through 32. We made a composite list using if you were, you were voted first, you got 1 point down the list. Our top 11 were all very similar. Then the rest was preference how you wanted to judge what you expect from a guy versus what they’ve done in the past. Yeah, my list, I did more, which is some of my guys that are unproven, I would probably have higher than the group before, but which is fine. So yeah, that’s why I wanted to do it this way. So we have a composite we’re gonna run through 1 through it actually turned into 1 through 33. Because some people voted for Penn and Kirk Cousins, who were both on Atlanta, which we didn’t really think about. Did I put cousins? Yeah, you did. Who did I leave out then? I must have left out one team. We’ll get to it because and also couldn’t figure out he left out and it’s a whole thing, but I did that. I didn’t even think about it. Yeah, I know, and and Jonathan did the same thing. So we’ll, we’ll figure that. So I composited the list, took the average score, — and then we’re gonna run through 1 through 32 real quick because
— I — put Tyler Shuck on there
— and I just left it the same. Quarterback and then we’re gonna go through and figure out where the tiers. So based on our cumulative 4 composite list where we would draw the — tier lines and what
— you don’t want to start from the bottom. We’re gonna show you the whole thing and then we’ll we’ll, let’s bring it up, Anthony, and this is separated 1 through 5 just for graphic purposes so it’s 1 through 56 through 10. All right, — Mahomes
— 1. Allen to Burrow and Lamar tied for 3 points. All right, Jalen Hurts 5. OK, that’s good. It’s pretty much what I had. Our 6 for 6 to 10. Jayden Daniels, Justin Herbert, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, and CJ Stroud comes in at number 10. All right, Baker 11, I think that’s where I had, I had Baker the 10 or 11. You had Baker at 11, yeah, uh, Jordan Jordan left 12, Dack 13 to a 14, Brock party 15. OK. Trevor Lawrence 16, Tyler Murray 17, Geno Smith 18, Bryce Young 19, Bo Nix 20, which is interesting. Sam Darnold, 21, Kirk Cousins, 22, Kaleb Williams, 23, Drake May 24. Justin Fields 25. Aaron Rodgers, 26, Michael Pennix Junior 27, Cam Ward 28, Russell Wilson, 29, Joe Flacco, 30. JJ McCartiffy 31, Daniel Jones 32, and Tyler Shut 33. Uh, so what we had two quarterbacks from, we had, uh, oh yeah, Penn. Who did I leave out? McCarthy. I didn’t know who you left out. — I just know
— you I had 33. I don’t even remember. No, you had 32 because Earl had 33 and his list was one longer than yours, and I missed Cam Ward because I took him off to move him and put him back on. So, oh, I had Cam Ward on there. — You did
— have Cam Ward on this. — I can’t
— remember who I left out. All right, so let’s go through that again. I think our list is great. I think we did a pretty good job. OK, start from the beginning again. So would you, the, the question I want to ask here, do you draw the elite line after the Lamarboro tie? I do personally, or do you include Jalen Hurts? Dustin, what do you think? No, — I’ll
— put him in. OK, that list to me is fine. But do you, where do you draw the elite line after Lamar and Burrow or after Hurts? Those five guys. Let’s go before that. Do you still have Mahomes only tier, or do you think? I don’t anymore, — those
— 3 because I agree. I used to have Mahomes, then those 3, I think all three of those quarterbacks — have permeated up
— into just the I think in the end the tiebreaker for Mahomes. We shouldn’t, we shouldn’t denigrate Jalen Hurts just because he does something better than all the 4 of those other guys. I just What, what does he do better than all of them? He’s a better runner. I mean better than Lamar, OK, Josh. I think he’s better than Josh, but I don’t know. — I
— mean, I, I, I. Not better than Lamar. I’ll give you that, but I mean, Mahomes and Burrow, him and Alan, I, I, — I’d say it’s a wash
— in terms of running. Yeah, I, I draw the elite line after 4, and Hertz is right on the precipice. I just, and, and. I, I, I don’t even know why Dustin because he outplayed Mahomes. This Super Bowl, you could argue he outplayed. I, I, I’m just saying, he played awesome in two Super Bowls. He’s won a Super Bowl, but his team’s so good around him and the pieces, I don’t know if he could carry a team like those other 4 guys. It’s, it’s easy to kind of pile on Mahomes a little right now because everybody was looking after all the celebrity they got, all the commercials they do, to look for any crack and, and take advantage of Mahomes. The truth is though, like, Especially since Tyreek Hill left, — had
— no weapons. — He has
— had limited weapons. I mean, Kelsey counts, but yeah, besides Kelsey and Kelsey’s clearly in decline now, clearly, um, it wouldn’t shock me if Kelsey went off the cliff this year or certainly at the end by the end of this year. Uh, all right, so nobody would change it. I mean, I, whatever. I, I’m fine with the exact order that it’s in now. Uh, let’s go to 6 through 10 again. So our second tier would be the, the very good close to elite tier. It, it’s hard to, to know where to put Daniels exactly because he’s only done it for 1 year. But that one year was special, right, but, but CJ Stroud was amazing his rookie year and not as good as. And what if the same thing happens to Daniels? That’s why I had him a little lower on my personal list. Yeah, we had 2 votes for him at number 5 ahead of Jalen Hurts. Um, but Jalen Hurts ended up with a higher aggregate. If Daniels follows up this year with as good or better than he did last year, then he’s gonna go up for me. Do you have any issue with this 5 ranking or would you consider all of these guys in the same tier? Uh, I would not. I, — I
— have, I draw a line. I do too and I would have Stafford ahead of Herbert. Obviously Herbert’s younger, but for like 1 year I’d still take Stafford over Herbert. I, for me, I don’t know about you guys. I would not, — but it’s
— close. I think I’d put golf over Herbert. I think I did. I think Jared Goff is not better than Justin Herbert, I don’t think, — but
— talent wise, probably not. I mean, G has proved a lot of doubters wrong. Yes, I like, I mean, listen, I, I, I think I had, — when did I have golf 9 or 10
— 8910. — Did
— I have a Baker? I think I did. I could tell you. I mean, it’s hardly an insult to say the guy, I mean, you know, for all the crapping I’ve done on Baker, I still had him 10 or 11. You had Goff at at uh 4. You had Goff at 9, which is where he was. — And then I
— have Stroud and then Baker, Stroud and Baker, yeah. But I think these guys, I think Stafford, Herbert, Daniels, and Hertz are in that very close to elite, just slightly below that and then I put G Stroud and the next couple guys — in tier 3 and my own personal
— tier rankings. Dustin, you got any beef with this? — Would you have any different
— order? I mean, — different order maybe a couple if you
— had to rank these 5 or would you have Baker ahead of any of those guys? I would. — I had
— who uh, I’d have Baker in there ahead of Stroud. Uh, and I’d have him in front of Stafford, really, yeah, I think so. Baker’s 11 on this list, by the way, — so he
— is the right that’s what I’m saying he’s got a 9 right there. Yeah, I’d, I’m just reminding people out there who are only seeing this, — maybe not remember
— we don’t have him that far out of this window. No, he’s literally next, literally next. — So
— you got, you would have, so I might even put him ahead of Jay Daniels for just because it’s one year last year with Jay. Oh man. So you have Herbert 6 then, Baker 7, Daniel’s 8? Sure. What about golf? Dude, it’s these are so close. Like, I mean, we’re acting like between the difference between 6 and 10s — this crazy yeah
— all that’s awesome that’s the exercise. You gotta, you gotta put them in order. Let’s go. So I’m sitting on the fence. Alright, you mean put this in right there? Yeah, right, well then I’ll, I’ll, I’ll go, uh. Herbert — And you can add baker in
— wherever. Yeah, I’ll go Herbert G. Baker Daniel’s Who am I, who do I. All right. Let’s see 11 through 15. All right, so we’ll take out Baker cause we got, I, I, obviously nobody thinks Baker should be lower than 11th right now. No. Uh, — the thing with
— like he actually was 11th by the way of the 4s. Like he actually was somewhere else. I can pull it up. I don’t have all 4 in front of me, but he was. You had him 11th, I had him 11th. and I had Baker 12th. So there, there’s the one who. Uh, behind Jordan Love, Herbert, yeah, he can’t. I, I listen, nobody’s criticized Baker more than me. I can’t put Jordan Love ahead of him. No chance. Baker Baker last season was better than any season Jordan Love has had. Uh, and really the last two years, I mean, he’s been better than Jordan Love. I think we may have Jordan Love too high, honestly. Um, if, if I knew Dak and Tua were gonna be healthy, I would definitely have them both ahead of love, and I probably, I, the more I think about it now, and I, I know I put Purdy lower, I might put Purdy ahead of love too, but definitely if Tua and Dak, if, if you, if you guaranteed me they were healthy. Which you can’t do, obviously I’d, — I’d have they’re both better players than Jordan
— Love. Earl and Ant both had at 11 on 12 on their list, excuse me, which is why he ended up at 12 despite. Where did I have if I had 4 phones to have all of your list in front of me, this would be a lot easier. — I could look at text
— me your list or you know what I’ll I’ll bring up, uh, you had love at 4, 1013 you had 16. Yeah, I had love way lower than you guys. I would have put Prescott if I could have, but — everybody else I thought was a little bit
— but that’s been a great player in the league. What do you mean regular season? What is Jordan Love done in the playoffs? What has Baker Mayfield done in the playoffs? What? What did any of these guys, most of these guys haven’t done anything in the playoffs. I mean, now you could argue, well, you could say those guys are younger, but I mean. Uh, most of these guys have not had playoff success. Earl straight up said he wouldn’t put on the list if he didn’t have to. So yeah, — that’s what we think
— about. Earl is the number one deck hater. That’s ridiculous. People are, there’s always a quarterback in every era that just, just is a really good player. the team doesn’t really win and and the quarterback gets denigrated. Yeah, — that’s
— that people hate the Cowboys, which I get. Um, and, and people kind of use that against. Dack, I mean, has he been that bad in the playoffs? Let me, — let me see his
— playoff. He actually hasn’t been that bad. Das played 7 games in the playoffs. Completion percentage 64.5. That’s, that’s. Not amazing, but not, not bad. 14 touchdowns, 7 picks. I mean that’s good. I mean, listen, some of it might have been garbage time. Who knows? He hasn’t been amazing in the playoffs, but again, Lamar Jackson’s been pretty bad in the playoffs and nobody’s taking him out of the top 5 because he’s awesome. Jack was hurt last year when he’s been healthy, he’s been a top 10 quarterback every year. The only one on this particular 5 grouping that. Yeah, I had Jordan Love way lower. You had him. — I had guys
— are way over the top on Jordan. I had Tua. I agree. Tua scares the it’s, it’s all health with Tua. I, I couldn’t put him any higher. He was one of the guys that had the biggest variants of range in this group. Yeah, I’m, he just scares. — You must have
— had Jordan Love higher too. I had Jordan at 13. Yeah, you, what is Jordan Love done to be that high? He played good for like half a season. I’m looking at it. I had above that. Yeah, I did. I I would change that. I did this in about 10 minutes this morning. — I
— think I’m looking at my list. It’s the only one I would swap so far right now I’d be OK. All right, go ahead, let’s see the next group. Um, you know, Trevor Lawrence, who knows with him. I feel like we have these quarterbacks for the most part in the right groups. Yeah, yeah, yeah sure you can nitpick a couple of spots, you know, hey, swap Kyler Bry and Bryce Young, whatever. I mean, I, I think we’re on with where the guys are at. — I think for the most part we did a pretty a
— little unfair to Bo Nicks. Maybe he did have a great year and like the thing about Lawrence Murray, Lawrence, you know, I don’t know. Murray and Smith, they are what they are. Like you kind of know what you’re getting from them. It’s not great, but it’s not, you know, it’s same with Geno Smith. Yeah, right. Murray, oh, I’m sorry, that’s what I meant. Bryce Young, I love his upside. I, and, and Bo Nix obviously has upside. It’s probably unfair to have coming off a great rookie season that he had have that low. But all right. I’m the highest on Knicks. — I think I had
— 18. Yeah, — I think I had Knicks a little
— low. I’m a little on Knicks too. Yeah, go ahead, Anthony. Next group. Yeah, and Kirk Cousins should be lower. I mean, he looked finished last year. Now, maybe a year after the surgery. I, I, I would definitely rather have Caleb Williams or Drake May than Kirk Cousins. I honestly, I, Caleb Williams, Drake May should be ahead of both Dar. I, I think Arnold was an anomaly for most of the regular season. I think he’s fraudulent and personally, and I think, you know, I mean, he went to, where is he? Seattle. Seattle. I think Kirk’s way too high. Caleb Caleb and Drake, you know. Statistically speaking, decent rookie years, but new systems now for both with Ben Johnson in Chicago, they’re tough to write. This is where the categories work better than the 1 through 32 because they fit into the, I like the upside, but I don’t exactly know what we have yet grouping better than — 23
— overall I think we got. You know, decent order. I, I, — I think Kirk
— Cousins is too high though. Yeah, Williams and May should be ahead of certainly cousins and probably Arnold, but go ahead. Donald did have a really good year last year. We’re gonna give Bo Nix and some guys credit for one year. I know Donald’s later in his career, but he did have the best season, a better season than Bo Nicks. Yeah, he did. Yeah, but we’ve seen more bad than good. Yeah, go ahead. 26 to 30. Rogers Penns, yeah, I mean, rank rating a rookie is hard to do. I had Rogers as my lowest. Yeah, lower than Russell Wilson and Joe Flacco and that doesn’t make any sense. I dropped him and I can’t stand Rogers, but like you got, I mean. How could he be behind Kirk Cousins also? That doesn’t make any sense. — I
— can’t. I didn’t have cousins on my list, — to be
— fair. I mean, Rodgers was not great, obviously for the Jets last year, but he wasn’t terrible. He was, you know, he was all right. And you know, um. I know it’s a lot of steeler hate, but come on. Below Russell Wilson and Joe Flacco, I just think he’s gonna get even worse this year, so I had to put him. — But
— Russell Wilson and Joe Flacco gonna get any better? I don’t think Russell Wilson’s gonna play. I think they’re gonna start somebody else for the Giants. He’s the projected starter right now, but as of now and then, uh, Flacco at 30. And then Earl had JJ McCarthy 33. Which is our final one here if you wanna take the last graphic here, Steve. But McCarthy, Daniel Jones, and Tyler S in New Orleans. I think I had Daniel Jones last. You had Daniel Jones last year, yeah, I mean, he’s trash, yeah. The Colts have a bad quarterback situation. So do the Saints. So do the Browns. Unless one of the rookies does something. Same thing with the Saints, the Jets don’t even have that, I mean the the. Steelers, the Steelers, well, yeah, they don’t have that. They don’t even have a well, they got the the Ohio State court Howard. Um, who seems like a long shot, you know, if if JJ McCarthy doesn’t hit from Minnesota, they got nothing. Seattle’s Daniel Jones on Indy, obviously their quarterback situation is terrible. Um, and then what about the and the Giants quarterbacks? Well, again, they might go with Jackson guard who is the Jets backup quarterback? Tyrod Taylor. Oh yeah, so they got a terrible sa. Oh no, no, I’m thinking, wait, oh, they just, yeah, that’s a terrible situation and the Steelers have a terrible situation in my opinion, so. Uh, but, but Mike Tomlin somehow find, will find a way to win 9 games, of course, because he always does and. We’ll see. I mean, Rogers could completely go off a cliff this year. That’s, that’s certainly possible. You think he will? I kind of think he’s gonna be good. I do too. I kind of think he’s gonna be good. Yeah, I do. I think he’s gonna be like he was last year. You’ll be OK. You put him into another like he went to New York. The Jets are a dog shit organization, and you, — he
— didn’t help though. No, he’s nuts. I’m not defending your rights at all. This, this is strictly based off of his talent. You’re right. They are a terrible organization. You pull them out of the city. You put them in Pittsburgh with a well-run organization and Tomlin. I mean, yeah. You got, you got a Super Bowl winning MVP quarterback and a coach who’s won a Super Bowl and been to multiple. Like I just think they’ll to write them off and to say that they’re not gonna be like I just have to see it to believe it. — I also think coming off an Achilles that second year is
— like, yeah, I know that, but he, but he’s still in his 40s. No, — I know
— I’m no quarterback besides Aaron besides Tom Brady has played well at his age. — And I don’t think Rogers played and I’m not
— very good writing him off. I don’t think he, uh, but — you can’t be shocked if he goes off the
— cliff had that good year in Minnesota, dude, — like
— 40. — I just think I think he’s gonna kind of be
— kind of cratered towards the end of the, he had a great year with the Jets and then at the end of the year he kind of fell apart. The same thing happened in Minnesota. Um, it’s hard in your 40s to be good at quarterback. I mean, he’s a play away from going to the Super Bowl. We’re going to the NFC title game. Yeah, that’s true. Um, it’ll be interesting to see. I think, I don’t think Rogers is gonna completely fall apart, but I think he’ll be kind of average, which again for them, he plays average. That’s probably better than the quarterback play they’ve gotten in the last few years, yeah. Which is hard to believe that they found a way to be over 500 with below average quarterback play. What’s his ceiling in your mind that? Could he be the 15th best quarterback in football this year? Uh, yeah, I guess so. I think I think he could be in I I think it’ll end the season we’ll talk about him is like. Basically average between 13 and 18. I, I think it’s a lot higher than 29 where we had. I think you’ll have the Steelers in position, you know, to make the playoffs. They’ll compete. They’ll be competitive and I think, I think he’ll play well enough that people will be like, is he gonna come back for another year? I said this is like his last year, but I think he’ll play well enough that it’ll, it’ll leave some doubt as to whether or not he should retire. Do the Browns have a quarterback that could end up being as high as 15th best quarterback? Sure, yes, taking a snap. So you — you’re
— saying? I’m saying sure. And then it sounds like Shado. So, I mean, you think there’s a chance he could be the 15th best this year? No, I don’t think I can’t see it’s possible. I mean, no one thought Bo Nix was gonna do do anything or right, — but
— Bo Nix, he knew he was gonna get the opportunity. We don’t know that’s gonna get the opportunity. Yeah, I, yeah, I’m not gonna like if I knew Shaor was starting week one, I’d say, yeah, OK, it’s possible he could be, you know, 15th best quarterback in the league. — But it’s that you also
— need the you need the games to get the stats to make you make you be in the conversation like, oh this guy had a great year. Like if he played 8 games and had, you know, 1500 yards passing, he’s not gonna be the 15th best quarterback, yeah, right. And I mean the odds of a player again, you can say whatever you want about where he should have been drafted. If teams thought he was that good, he would have been drafted in the first round. Yes, he dropped further because of other things. But most of the impact rookies at quarterback were first round picks, almost all of them. We did a whole study after the draft and it was 3 quarterbacks not selected in the first round. Have gone on to have, I forget the exact statistical like — just in
— general, yeah, but, but specifically as a rookie there’s there, there are obviously Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson and her cousins and Tom Brady. — There’s a lot of guys
— that those were the three in the last decade, — but there’s
— not many, there’s not many rookies period that have that are great as rookies at quarterback, let alone not drafted in the first round. It’s so rare because a. Quarterbacks drafted past the first round, — almost never get an opportunity as
— a rookie. Party’s the only one I could think of in like recent, recent me he was, he started, he started the season in week 1011. Yeah, I mean he played well he came in. Yeah, he played 6 or 7 games, and nobody was calling him the 15th best quarterback at the end of the first season. — Now by the next year when he played
— well again, yeah.