Warming Up with Jon Rahm and Tyrrell Hatton

Jon Rahm and Tyrrell Hatton are, in many ways, the perfect pair. Not just because they’re LIV teammates and Ryder Cup partners but because they’re brothers in intensity — because, as Rahm says, “we have some similar reactions on the course.” Off the course, though? Tyrrell on Jon: “He looks scary, doesn’t he, but he’s a big teddy bear.” Jon on Tyrrell: “One of the funniest people you’ll ever meet.”

In this episode of Warming Up, the two team up for plenty of laughs but offer a window into their competitive approaches, too, from their mindsets to specific swing thoughts and more. (One contrast: Rahm says he’s “irrationally positive” in his mind, while Hatton offers that “positivity drains you.“) We won’t make many two-person Warming Up interviews, but in this case the whole was better than the sum of its parts. Enjoy!

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Well, he looks scary, doesn’t he? But he’s like a big teddy bear. Why the people say he looks scary? I’ve heard that. I mean, he said it, not me. It’s probably something to do with being unit and being like 6′ three. That could be when you’re 5’8 hobbit. Be unnerving. [Music] All right. Now on the tea, two gentlemen from Legion 13, Tier Hatton, John Rom. Gentlemen, thanks for being here. Uh, thanks for showing us a little bit of your warm-up. You each seem to have a wedge in hand. What are Tier? What are you hitting? Uh, lob wedge. Is this where you always start? 60. Yes. And what do you do with it? Um, I mainly start try and hit it like anywhere from 50 to 60 yards and just get used to the club being in my hands again for the day. Um, we’ve done a warm up in the gym, so body shouldn’t be feeling too stiff, but still it’s nice to start swinging the club and try and find a rhythm for the day. Feels like guys are like almost everyone now is starting with some sort of warm-up in the gym. Was that the case when you started your first turn pro? Is that something that’s always been part of your routine? No, definitely not. As I’ve got older and stiffer and fatter, I’ve needed to um start doing a bit more in the gym to try and get the rig ready to try and rotate. I think I think there’s a lot more days of me just hitting it absolutely terrible on the range and then posting a good score than feeling like it was an absolute flush shitty on the city on the range and then actually post the You say equivalent score? Flush shitty. Flush shitty. That’s a nice ring to it. Like flush shitty. You just hit your wedges straight to straight. You like I don’t think about that. I just hit it. Yeah. Golf’s complicated enough. What do you think about your when you’re standing over a nice wedge shot? Uh, nothing. Just autopilot. Stand over it and hit it. Is that right? Yeah. That’s great. has I mean so you sort of have made a plan I guess right before you’ve stepped up to it and then ideally once you’re standing over it pretty much. Yeah. I mean unless see with the wedges like like John was saying you have different um feelings to try and hit certain numbers. Um so like I’ve got a 54 here and I have what feels like a shoulder to shoulder and that’s like a 95. And then I’ve always been the type of person that struggles to um sort of take distance off by slowing my swing down. It just messes me up. So I started sort of gripping down and then with the 54 I have a double grip down so that goes even shorter. Um so then I can still make my swing and Wow, that’s great. All right. So full full would be like top of the grip and then what if you wanted to take like I mean the grips that I have they’ve got little like V’s on them. So like grip down would be at this second V. Okay. And then the double grip down is at the V just below it. So how many yards is that taking off? Um from a full one. The double grip down will take off normally close to like 12 yards. Oh wow. Yeah. So it’s quite a bit. Yeah. Uh, it feels horrendous, but I’ve I guess I’ve done it enough that it kind of works. It sort of get you get comfortable with it. John, do you ever watch another golfer warm up? Like, do you ever spend time on the range like walking around and saying, “Huh, that’s interesting.” Or are you more in your own world? Very much more in my own world. Yeah. Uh but obviously here in Liv you do get to see other people’s routines. So we all go at the same time especially if it’s our team. So I get to see what we’re all we’re all doing. Feel like the large majority of us do very similar things right. Uh small changes here and there. Most of the routines seem to be fairly similar. Um I’ll say tier is one of those that might be slightly different. Like from what I see is most people go putt, chip, range, then putt. Straight to range, chip, putt, go. Right. You go straight to the range. Nothing beforehand. Gym gym to the range. No, I mean my routine I’d be uh in the gym probably like Oh, no. Sorry. I’ll go I putt first. You do? I do like start line putting for like 10 minutes. I’ll go straight from there into the gym. Sometimes if it’s all close by, I’ll do it this way. My ideal warm up would be 10 minutes patting in the gym, straight to the range. I’ll be on the range for 40 minutes for my tea time, hitting balls for 25 minutes, half an hour, maybe hit like three chip shots, run back to the putting green, couple of putts, and walk onto the tea two minutes before. Uh obviously with the shotgun starts and Yeah, that’s right. moving. Uh sometimes you have to adjust your warm up. Um but normally we go pretty close to the putting green so I can kind of similar thing. I’ll 2 minutes before I’ll hit a few putts and get on the buggy and go. Have you ever been late for a tea time? Yes, but that wasn’t my fault. Tell me. I was powder armor last year in first round. We were Oh, you order that tea time? We were starting on the fourth and um I guess whoever decided that we should drive the whole way around the golf course to get there rather than just driving to the third green which was not that far away and dropping us off and letting us just that’s the second green and then just let us walk. All right. So you’re clearing yourself of any responsibility. It wasn’t our fault. No, it wasn’t. It’s good when the referee come over on the fifth though and said that you’re out of position. It’s like yeah, no John, do you remember meeting Tier and have you guys uh always gotten along? I guess that’s assuming you do get on well now. No. Sometimes we hate each other. It seems like you It seems like you get on well. I don’t know if we had ever really spent too much time together till the whistling straight. Right. Well, Paris, even in Paris, we didn’t really speak much. No, we’re both fairly quiet that week. Yeah. Uh whistling we played together. So, I think that’s a bit of the start of everything. Uh they’re one of the things that makes us get along is we have we tend to have some some similar reactions on the golf course. Say more about that. What do you mean? So I just never understand why he swears in English. Get away with it probably if he swears in Spanish. That’s right. No, I don’t. I I can tell you I don’t because Wow. Unfortunately, mo everybody knows all the cuss words in Spanish, so I can’t. Yeah, but it’s fine. It’s not like I’m speaking Japanese. They That’s right. They have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. So then when you play together, does that uh like what happens? Is there is there a calmness that sets in? Do you cancel each other out with a little fiery play or or do you build on each other? How does it work? To be honest, I’m not going to lie. Whenever I play with somebody that might get a little bit more fired up on the golf course, not only just him, everybody. Yeah. Because I see myself in it, I laugh. So there’s a bit of a joy that comes with it. Yeah. Right. And a lot of times they’ll see me laughing and then they laugh. So because it’s fully understanding where it’s coming from. We all get it, right? We all react different, but it’s uh yeah, just makes me laugh a little bit. Uh TL, what’s John like away from the golf course? Because in my experience, he’s actually quite a pleasant fellow. Is that how you would describe him? Well, he looks scary. doesn’t he? But he’s like a big teddy bear. Why did people say I look scary? I’ve heard that. I mean, he said it, not me. It’s probably something to do with being unit and being like 6′ three. It could be when you’re 5’8 hobbit. Be unnerving. I get it. Oh man. And John, how about Tier? What’s Tier like away from the golf course? Tier is one of the funniest people you’ll ever meet. Puts the pressure on T, doesn’t it? But hey, yeah, you got to be funny all the time. His name is Mr. P. I don’t know. See, this is exactly what happens in warm-ups. It just That’s right. Somebody shows up, grabs your club, looks. Patrick just looks and then you spend the rest of the warm up wondering, “Wait, what was he looking at? What was he wondering about?” You know, Patrick, you know very well is not the clubs. You approve. Do you approve? Okay. I don’t like that. I know. Yeah. Exactly. I have no idea what he’s talking about. I don’t know. I think that was like a draw versus there saying he can’t use like the ridge in the middle doesn’t really work for him because he likes to draw it and and throw the club. So, he needs a bit more of a flatter bounce, I believe. And because I cut across it, you’re losing tier. That’s what I was saying. I’m pretty sure he can use whatever wedge you give him and you’re fine. and they’ll still be top five in the world around the green, so it doesn’t matter. But getting back to it, Tero Yeah, Tero’s one of the funnier people you’ll ever meet. Like, he doesn’t like to do it, but I like he should be miked up from one of our practice rounds cuz he just drops gems. Like, whatever any compilation you’ve seen of him saying funny things is very mild compared to what we usually hear. Tiel, is that true? I can neither confirm nor deny. Touche T, when did you get so good at golf? Um, that’s a weird question. Throwing you off when you were five. You don’t Oh, you still haven’t? Yeah. So, I think I Yeah, I’d tell myself I’m Interesting. Good mental. What’s Mickey Flanigan says? Positivity drains you. Positivity drains you. If you know, you know. That’s true. I am like like irrationally positive in my mind. That’s interesting. Never lose hope. Never. I’m always hoping for the best in the next shot in any situation. Uh, even though my mouth may be saying other things, I firmly believe it. But the amount of times I’ll say in Spanish, just if you’re going to play like this, go home. What are you doing? Wasting your time. When internally I really know I’m just trying to fire myself up. Yeah. Cuz I I really know, okay, you can do this. Yeah. Yeah. You’re not you’re not losing the self-belief. No, no, no, no. And I guess that Yeah, that’s kind of optimism. But that might be I don’t know, Tier, is that is that the same for you though, do you think? Uh, maybe. Don’t really think about it. I just chat John, what’s that club and why is it bent? Cuz I hit it fast. I didn’t do it myself. Okay. You didn’t do it yourself. Do I need to explain it to the camera? It’s a Yeah, you can point it to Darren over there. Compression club, right? It’s It’s a bench shaft. You see it right there? There’s a line in the shaft, right? And the idea is that at impact, that line should be aiming at the center of your body. So, your hands are ahead. It’s not for everybody, but it’s the idea of the people that came up with it with that behind some of Ben Hogan theories, right? So, if you make a line between the ball and your left shoulder, your hand should be ahead of it at impact. Uh, I swing like that naturally is not for everyone. Not everybody needs it, but it just kind of gets me in that position to get through the ball better. And if I’m doing something wrong, it it accentuates it. Is that That’s an eight iron. It’s an eight iron. Yeah. I don’t They have a 60. I don’t use a 60. I And I don’t hit too many. I’ll hit maybe max five. If I hit two good ones, I put it away and that’s it. I know I’m doing it right. And you do that on your way down the bag like wedges and then eight irons, nothing. Or I Every day I’ll either go uh odds or evens. So whether I’m done with the pitching witch or with the nine iron, I’ll hit a couple with this and move on. Finally, a man of principle that switches off his odds and evens. Keep hearing people say, “Oh, they they never hit their nine iron.” I actually I’ve heard different things. My dad told me that when I was a kid. You did the pitching wedge yesterday. They start with a nine today. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s just so that’s ethical. Yeah. My if you look at my wedge and then n iron. So, I mean, there’s starting to get a wear mark sort of. And then this is like brand new pristine. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You really don’t hit your nine iron. Did you hit your seven iron? Uh, no. That’s like no need for it. Pretty new. And then the eight. Well, I’ve just hit that. The eight clean a lot. Yeah, because I always every warm up I always just go p like pitching wedge into eight, six, four, seven would driver go. Nobody’s hitting their odd clubs. A little wear mark there as well. You could just play a half set. You’d be fine. Yeah, with your double grip down. I think you could. Tom Tom loves it. Tom the double grip down. Tom loves a double grip down. Tom’s like little love with different parts of other people’s graven is incredible. All right. So, Ty, I know you don’t think you’re very good at golf, but what do you think you’ve gotten better at over the years? How about that? What What’s improving? Uh, don’t know. Yeah. Um, I’d say I’ve remained pretty consistent, but I’ve never really tried to even from like as a teenager and going into men’s golf and then turning pro, like swing wise, it’s changed as I’ve got older, but like the positions are still pretty much the same. Yeah. Um, and I guess like I don’t really look at stats, but I think iron play has always been pretty solid and then generally putting has been always a strength. So, uh, I guess if I lose those two, then I’m pretty But, um, it’s one way to look at it. Hopefully that stays consistent um, for a good number of years to come. But have you have you gotten uh intrigued by chasing speed, swinging harder, picking up distance? Not really. I think maybe well say my swings evolved, but the positions are still pretty much the same. Maybe that’s over time you’ve naturally got faster and obviously with the help of the equipment and everything like that. But I’ve never gone out my way to try and change something to try and gain more speed. So, um I feel like I hit it far enough to be able to compete. Like, sure, there’s guys out here and um certainly on on the other tours as well that absolutely send it and yeah, you’re never going to beat him in a long driving competition, but um hitting it a long way doesn’t doesn’t mean you’re going to go win every week. So, there’s other ways to get around the golf course. And if my irions are having a good week and we’re having we can see the lines on the greens, then you sets you up for to do well. John, what’s your favorite part of golf? Of golf. Big question. I think the chase. Yeah, competition. Bit of everything. I the competition of course, but or the chase even of just kind of the it’s a weird game in which we’re all trying to chase perfection in the most imperfect game there is, right? You’re trying to miss better than the next guy. You can count in one hand how many perfect shots you hit a day, maybe a week, right? It’s for a game that’s all about missing less. It’s just that chase of trying to figure things out and and and get better and new things, new feels. It’s it’s a thrill for me. Obviously competition is number one, but that part of things is uh something that I really enjoy. Ter’s objecting to that. Zero. No sid spin. That’s actually the the third third one I’ve hit today. That’s zero. Zero side. Zero sid spin. Yeah. You were about to throw the club and then you saw the number. So, Ter, do you do you love golf? Uh, love hate relationship. Love golf. I guess I love elements of it, but like with the competition side, yeah, look, we’re everyone out here is very competitive person and stuff, but Sure. Like you shouldn’t can’t ever lose that. But um I think sometimes it’s hard to like go out and practice. I think when you love it, it’s that’s easy to do. Yeah. When it feels like a chore to go and do go out and hit balls when you got time off and whatever. See, it depends on what frame of mind you’re in as well. If you’re enjoying golf at that moment, then it’s a bit easier. But Um, I’d say the longer I’ve played, it’s definitely fluctuates. It’s gone up and down. Yes. I mean, I’m always sort of like, well, people just think, oh, it’s it’s the dream, right? Playing professional golf, and I think that it is. I think that I don’t think that’s unfair. But I would also, you know, sometimes I’ll walk around practice rounds Tuesday, Wednesday, and it’s you’re waiting, it’s hot, everyone’s hitting 84 chip shots on every green, and it is like this is a bit of a slog. That definitely those moments it definitely is not the dream. Sure. It’s like playing majors and stuff is what we all aspire to do. And yeah, you want to win majors and I mean John John’s won a couple. Um but yeah, winning majors is definitely everyone’s goal in their career. So on my side, yeah, I’m still chasing that. Um but yeah, to be able to play them year in year out is um it’s a nice thing to do. Well, you just came pretty damn close. What uh do you have any takeaways from playing such a strong US Open? Uh no, I think I looking back on it, I was proud with how I played and generally handled myself certainly um after the rain delay. Um it was a tough break on 17. Um, and yeah, it was unfortunately it was to have that on a separate first hole kind of you don’t really have any time to make up now the damage from that and yeah that that hurt a lot. Um, I can deal with making bogey on 18 because like it was a tough hole. I actually missed that fairway um in the practice round and all four tournament days. Yeah, I landed in the fairway. I think three three out the five. Didn’t stay. But it didn’t stay. Um but yeah, I mean I think I was in that bunker three out the four three out of four time. Yeah. In the tournament. Um and yeah, you’re you’re always going to be struggling to make par and whatever. So, I can I can deal with making Bowie on the last, but the the one that really hurts is 17 because um where that pin was, that’s you have to if you’re going to miss the green, your only miss is in in the bunker or if you whiff it, yeah, you get lucky and it goes short in the fairway. Um but I don’t feel like I hit a bad shot. Um, I certainly hit a shot that would be to miss it in the right spot. And when I saw the video afterwards of where it landed and how it didn’t get to the bunker from where it landed, it just stuck there. Yeah. Yeah, that was that was pretty tough to take. John, did you see uh Tio’s reaction to the winning putt at the US Open by chance? Did that clip come across your feed? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, I was I was waiting to to try to talk to him and Yeah. and give him some encouraging words. You know, it’s it’s never easy when you don’t finish the way you want. And uh we were all waiting. I was under one of the like the security entrance cuz it was raining and we heard Victor hit the pot and you can hear the crowd and then obviously I didn’t see it but we heard the reaction and we all knew what happened. He obviously had a camera and you could see the on the video feed. Yeah. Uh it’s quite incredible. I mean, what a finish that such a hard putt to just even keep within five feet. And yeah, to go out and hold it to win your first major is I think even even seeing cuz Victor was on the same line like yeah that helps a bit but in that moment with that pressure it’s unbelievable to obviously hit the putt that he did and it goes in dead weight. I mean that’s is like fairy tale dream stuff. That was unbelievable. I think that is that’s what Tiel said. Un birdie birdie. Unbelievable. I mean, you finish that drive because a lot of people are going to remember that, but that sequence towards the end where he makes bogey on 15, right? It’s an incredible four iron on 16 to the perfect spot. 25 ft up the hill. That drive on 17, the drive on 18, the iron, and then the putt. That sequence of the last three holes, unbelievable golf. Unbelievable. John, do you feel like I mean the the open at pebble or not Pebble, open at Tory sort of sticks out as like talking about unbelievable stretches of major golf. Is that the one that sticks out in your mind as like wow hitting the right shots, making the putts at the right time? Does that stick out far far above other stuff that you’ve done? I mean, for me, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah, I will because I played I’ll play the last seven holes at Tor Pines very very well. Uh especially my approaches into the green. Hit a great second shot on 12, a great wet shot on 13. Great drive on 14 and wet shot on 14, great second shot on 15, and then the last three as well. Great four iron on 16, great wedge shot on 17 and 18. That four iron on 18 is arguably the most well struck iron I’ve ever hit and the wind just moved at one yard too far right. But it’s hard for me not to focus on those two putts, right? Uh obviously I’m biased, but in my career that that finish Yeah, that finish is Yeah, it’s uh hard to beat. And luckily I’ve had a few good moments at Tory Pines on that green. So Do you ever draw on like shots that you’ve hit in the past? You do you have kind of like a catalog of shots you go back to of like, okay, I know that I’ve hit this shot in this position and it felt this way. Let me try to do it like that. Or you kind of like start fresh on every golf shot. I guess that’s for either of you. Depends on what exactly. But yeah, I think yeah, certain shots I would say circumstantially. Yeah. If you’ve gone back to a hole you’ve done really well on in the past, Yeah. somewhere you go every year. Like if I were to say go back to 18 at Tori, I’ve been able I’ve played that hole with a chance to win a few times so I can draw on what I’ve already done. It’s a bit of taking it to an extreme here for all the David Gogggins fans out there is the metaphor he uses as the cookie jar of those moments in your life where you’ve accomplished something that you can reuse to selfmotivate in that moment. Right? So knowing that you’ve done it while going down the stretch at any point, you can always say, “You’ve already done it. You know how to do it. Go and do it.” Right? That’s a bit of a similar situation. I I mean, I personally had a similar moment um at the US Open on Sunday on the 16th when um I ended up hitting a really good four iron to about 12 ft. But really before I hit the shot, it reminded me of uh one of my first events actually on the when I played got my DP World Tour card. We were playing Joberg Open and on the last hole I think I was one or two back. Um it was a par five and it was four iron into the into the green and I knew that I had to like rip it. Um, and I managed to hit a really good shot to like 15 ft. Um, unfortunately I missed the P, whatever, but I ended up finishing third in the tournament, but before I hit that shot on 16 at Oakmont, that was the memory that I had and it had a weirdly similar feel to it. Interesting. Um, so how and how many years back are you reaching then in your mind? That was 2014. Start January 2014, I think. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 11 11 and a half years ago. Yeah. But it’s mad. That’s cool. And you draw in a little field. And do you do you think you remember like are there a lot of tournament rounds that are just poof gone? Like finished, you know, 31st that week. I won’t remember a single shot from it. Pretty much. Yeah. I think the the ones that will always stick out are when you’re you feel like you’ve got the chance to hit to to win the tournament and you you hit a great shot um with whatever club that may be. Um and yeah, that that gives you confidence and happy memories. So that for me that was certainly one of those times. Do the wins feel better than the losses feel bad? How do those two things stack up against each other? Uh, I think it’s hard when you’re in the moment. Like, yeah, the win is that feels incredible, but again, like in the moment of when you lose, like that really sucks as well. So, it’s certainly a roller coaster of emotions. I guess whichever you’ve done more recently is the one that’s stronger. If you’re on a winning streak, then like Yeah, it’s amazing. Yeah. Um, but yeah, you kind to answer that, huh? It’s hard to answer that. I would say in my experience, it’s easier to move on for the wins, right? Like once you win, it’s like, okay, I’ve done it, move on to the next, hopefully get to the next win. Obviously, try to enjoy it as much as possible. But if you were to go on a bit of a let’s say two or three tournaments where you’re playing good and you don’t get it done, even though you’re playing really good golf, you’re obviously thinking, okay, what can I do next time, right? Uh there’s there’s things to learn from both experiences, but I think uh you know, sitting down and evaluating the the bad weeks can be a little bit tougher, right? It’s it’s very easy to pick apart what I’ve done wrong in a win, right? in a bad week. It you have both. You have to find the positives and sometimes it can be a little hard to pinpoint exactly what you could have done better. Yeah. Yeah. John, do you think anyone is harder on you than you are? No, you can’t can’t possibly be anyone in the world that’s harder on myself than me. That’s interesting. Yeah. Thought about that. I mean, you know, obviously people say like, huh? Zero. Now, this is the stat. See, this is what Turtle’s worried about is sid spin. He just hit a threewood with eight sevenwood. Come on. I don’t I don’t hit that short. If I hit one, it’ll be 500 at least sideways. Yeah. Zero. What’s your acceptable sid spin range? Zero. Zero. Yeah. No. Uh, yeah. Zero. That’s the only thing it’s looking at. Zero. Zero. Yeah. I I get excited when I see zero to be fair, but um generally I’d say if it’s over if it’s over like 400 side then that starts to irritate me. Yeah. Even if it’s like started started right and then drawn like I’d hate that. M I feel for me if certainly with the longer clubs when I’m playing well ball should be falling a bit right. Um so yeah I mean I I like to see it as neutral as possible because I don’t when I’m on the golf course I’ll with the irons I’ve just have a target like say the flag um and I’ll just aim at that. I don’t think about shaping into the flag or anything like that. I’m like there’s a pin I’m going to hit it at that. Yeah. Um, and then with the woods, I always try and have like a goal of of not not crazy big, but like say the those two flood lights here. Yep. So, you’ve got the middle of the goal is effectively the 100, 200, 300. Yep. You got the two flood lights either side. I feel like that would be a nice goal for me. And I generally would feel like I’m set up on the left post and I’ll start it a little bit left and then it will fall. that that would be ideal for me. That’s how that’s how I see things off the tea. So sometimes if we’re playing golf courses that have nothing to aim at, that’s that can be quite difficult. You need football fields in the background of all of your uh John, if you hit a 100 drivers on in tournaments, how many cuts are you going to hit versus draws? That number is changing. Is it? if uh I’m getting much better at the draw. If you ask me this, five years ago, I would have said 99 fades in one accidental draw. Now, there’s a lot of holes where I can take advantage of it because I do carry it further. Yeah. Or maybe use it with the wind. I’m getting more comfortable at it. So, I would say that’s been going on the last three years. It’s been getting better and better. How How do you carry it? I would say now might be if we’re including three wood off the tea, I would say I’m maybe getting to the 30% draws. Wow. Yeah. I don’t get enough credit for that. I get I like to hit fades, but I’m I’m getting I think when you arrived, you were just such a you were the fade king and now, you know, it’s hard to redefine people in our minds here. There’s there’s some holes in the world where you need to hit a draw. And if I couldn’t do with the driver, I’ll do the 3-wood. Yeah. Easier to draw than your three-wood. Yeah. Uh because I can just do more of a iron feel shot, right? That’s interesting. All right. Can you just show me in sort of your your quick version of what a fade looks like with your driver versus what a uh draw does and maybe what you’re thinking about differently. Yeah. Okay. So, for fade, I don’t really get too caught up on how much I fade it, right? So, let’s say I’m trying to hit it to the 250. Yep. I’ll do You’ll see me do this in every T- shot. I’ll kind of get a reference right there. Go six inches from the ball. Okay. Something right in front of it. Yeah. I line up to that. And then what I’ll do is step to the left. So now I know I’m aiming left. Yeah. And I just need it to fade from there. Right. That’s it. Right. So it starts left. It’s fading back. Assuming I am at the center of the fairway. That would never be too far off. Right. Uh oh, there’s a ball for the draw. I change. I’ll tee it up higher. I’m still listening. I just getting out of the way. Oh, you’re good. Beautiful. I’ll te it up higher for a draw. In this case, aim closer to the 300 now. Okay. Same start. And when you say aim, you mean your your feet, your shoulders. Yeah. I will align myself to the 300. Okay. Same start, but this time what I’ll do is leave the ball up there and set the club head back here. Whoa. I uh So, the ball is up front. I can’t think of my hand turning over to hit a draw or never really think of dropping it inside. So, because I’m fairly square to path by just moving the ball up, I’m just allowing an extra foot and a half for that club face to close. So, you’re just letting it close. So, I don’t change anything on my swing. I’ll do the same thing. And when I’m swinging, well, worst case is dead straight. And it fades. It fades. If it draws, it draws a little bit. Look at that. What do you make of that, Tier? That was in good. That was good. But I enjoyed my zero as well. It’s another zero sid spin over here. T was just waiting before he could hit another one. He had to uh That’s actually quite nice numbers to be fair. 318 carry is zero sid spin. That’s I mean 177. That’s incredible. Yeah, 28. That’s right. By the way, for reference, let me hit one there just so people get an idea. Yeah, we went from zero. It went from like what? 8 to 0 to 28. And I’m about to go. Where are you aiming at? Uh the Wow. My fairway is those two posts that basically middle of the fairways are 300. Okay. Hopefully I hit a good one. It’ll be at least 400 to the right. [Music] Faded that a little bit. Yeah. But that’s nice to the left side of the fairway there. 372. Yeah. Tier, will you will you ever try to work the ball like dramatically off the tea in a tournament if there’s something in my way? Yeah, then I will. I guess now and then there there is. But usually the fairway I always set up for the feeling like the ball is going to fade a little bit for me. So yeah. Yes. You will you aim like the left side of the fairway if it’s a Yeah, like the left side of my goal. And then I’ll just make my swing and it should just fall back a little bit. But yeah, I’m not uh I’m certainly not thinking about like what I need to do mechanically to try and make it fade or if I need to try and hit a draw. If I have to try and hit a draw, I’m like internally screaming as soon as the club like goes out of sight. It doesn’t feel comfortable. It just doesn’t feel comfortable. All right. So, you’d prefer not to. That’s not how I how I try and play. I mean, obviously you’ve got your launch monitor here, but how uh you consider yourself kind of a field player, like more of a old school, you’re not obsessive, it sounds like, about swing positions, about uh but I don’t know then some stuff you are clearly obsessive like the start of the takeaway, how the club face is there, and then I’ve always gone fairly steep, so it’s just like a fine line between it not being so steep. Um it’s hard for me to get really flat. Like it feels disgusting. Like I I’m not going to lie, like when I see my swing on video, I think it’s absolutely disgusting. Do you watch it much? I try not to cuz I think it’s disgusting, but like sometimes I need to just to check the like the P1 position and then how it then goes up to the the top of the back swing. So yeah, there’s there’s not many things I do that I think actually look good. So, but yeah. Are you hard on yourself in uh other areas of life the same way as golf? I’d say so. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Are you But but are you hard on other people the same way you’re hard at on yourself? You have high expectations for everyone? Uh it depends what it is. Yeah, that’s an open-ended question, I suppose. What do you need? more golf balls here. How do you guys uh So, you guys are back to wedges now. Is this how you kind of finish up your warm-up? You hit driver and then you go back to it. No, you’re just doing it cuz you’re ready for me to leave. I usually in a polite way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s fair. Well, so what happens after driver? You go to the tea. No, you already told me tier all the We uh make a dash for the chip and green. Yeah. Hit a couple of those. Hit a couple of chips. Straight to the pattern green. Go. That’s terrific. Tier, what’s the best golf shot you’ve ever hit in your life? Best golf shot I’ve ever hit in my life. A zero driver. They just That’s right. 318. Merido. Uh, Wednesday. Best golf shot. Um, another one that I go back to sometimes, actually going with a question earlier of thinking about shots in the past. Um, was actually the five iron hit when me and John were playing together at Whistling Straits on the 18th. That was that was incredible. That’s probably one of my favorite favorite shots that I’ve hit. Your reaction afterwards though is what like he tells me afterwards. All I know I’m such a great ball striker so shallow. So naturally I think he must be unbelievable out of fairway bunkers. And I hit a good T-shot that just goes two yards too far and two yards. No, you’re thinking of Rome. Yeah. Oh, you’re thinking about Paris. No. Whistling 18 on Sunday to the back right pin. Not on Sunday. On Friday. Okay. Yeah. I thought you said 15th holes. I assumed Rome. No. Okay. No. No. 18. Yeah. That was the three iron before that though. That was incredible. Three iron 17 was good too at whistling. But yeah, going what he’s referencing is my hatred for fairway bunkers and he put me in the fairway bunker in Rome on it Friday morning. Yeah. Yeah. And I an insane shot out of there. Unbelievable. And he comes out of the bunker and tells me, “Mate, I was terrified. All I could think of is duffing it or knifing it against the ledge. And now all my thought was, how about you told me off the tea and I would have hit a club that doesn’t get to the bunker. That’s right. But then he should hit the club that he feels comfortable with. And you It’s up to me then to hit my shot when it’s my turn. So yeah, I guess. But are you are you hard on John when he’s your partner? No. I guess that’s the thing. You just said I’m nice. That’s right. I’m a teddy bear. Teddy bear. Oh man. John, do you go back to wedges after driver or you’re just being polite also? No. Uh they just brought me a new W to try so that’s what I’m doing. Um don’t hit the flat. If it was tournament round, I usually hit couple seven irons after just warm-up swings. Just I don’t like to finish on a driver. I don’t know why. So I’ll just go hit a couple seven irons and go on. And what’s the what’s the frame of mind you like to be going to the first te of a say a big round weekend in contention? What’s the how locked change? It’s just it’s the same no matter what. Try to shoot the low as possible. Doesn’t really that’s that I mean the the moment might be different. The it might be a little bit more intense obviously, but shouldn’t change. The only thing that would change is down the last few holes if if you have a lead or not. How you approach those holes that might change. But besides that, no. What’s one thing about Tier’s golf game? Golf game that you think is cool. I think it’s exactly that for it is pretty ironic that for how complicated the game is and how much he tries to simplify it. His only thought is to hit a straight, which is arguably the impossible ball flight. That’s the funniest part to me, but how good he is at it, right? I mean, you’re seeing it to get zero sid spin with so many clubs. It’s clearly good at it. He did it like five times all zero. That was nice. I don’t know if that was a positive thing, but it’s just it’s just now I think that’s interesting. What’s something about John Rom’s golf game that you admired zero? Uh I I think when we when we’re messing around um around the chipping green, like we we’re like big kids just trying to get as much spin as possible. But I think one thing that impresses me with John is like the array of shots around the greens and like the different spins that he can put on it. whereas I can spin it a good amount, but it’s like got the cut spin and he’s then hitting like drawers out of bunkers and all that and I’m like I that’s I don’t have that in the bag. So I always um I always enjoy watching them do that. It’s pretty cool. That is that’s a big positive for both of us. We are like two 12y olds on the chipping and you’ll never see more giggles by two pros ever. It’s just the silliest thing. That’s right. We made most fun we had last year was in Saudi in Jedha. We made a divot at least 8 foot long and three foot wide 30 yards into the wind. See who could spin it absolute max. It was unbelievable. There was no anything behind it. Just who could get more backspin. We’re getting sand out the bunker sprinkling on the ground hitting it like 30 yard shots into wind and these things were like ripping back. We were screaming. We were getting so many looks from everyone. supposed to look too professional, but I always believe this time for fun. It was fun, so I can say that. All right. See, so everyone thinks, “Oh, these intense guys in the golf course. Just a couple silly boys spinning the ball out of the sand.” And by the way, we go we’re going to go play nine at some point. We’re going to do it as well. Yeah, that’s how it goes. Gentlemen, thanks for warming up with us. Nice. No worries. Thank you. Not too painful, I hope. No, the cloud cover came in. I know. That makes a world of difference, huh? Thank you guys.