On this week’s episode of Fully Equipped, GOLF’s Johnny Wunder is joined by PGA Tour pro Max Greyserman who shares the origins of his infatuation with golf equipment, how his extensive gear knowledge has benefited his playing career and what clubs land in his all-time bag setup.
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What uh what driver did you swap back into a triple diamond? I’ve been playing the Triple Diamond Elite since the week before the PJ Championship. Okay. Okay. And so I But I’ve also played three different heads since then. So So Okay, hold on. Stop. Okay. Episode 90 uh 292. Jesus. 292 of uh Fully Equipped Special Show. You got 292 episodes. 292 episodes Maximus of Fully Equipped. Uh so we are That’s a lot of people that listen to you. It’s a lot of people. Uh I don’t know how many people are gonna a lot of people are going to listen to this show, Max, because it’s you. And I’ve been well documented as talking to everybody about how much of a gear a gear degenerate you are. So this is going to be a fun show. But you are live from the Delta Lounge on your way to Scotland. I take it. Is that where you’re going? Yeah. Making a pit stop in London. Going to go to Wimbledon Saturday, which will be really cool. Oh, it’s kind of a bucket list. You’re really living the life there, aren’t you? Doing all the fun, all the all the big superstar stuff. Um, okay. I’m excited. So, here we go. It’s been an interesting week. you played your ass off in Detroit, so we’re going to we’re going to get that part of it out of the way. How do you feel? And talk to me a little bit about the last nine holes and then the playoff and then we’re going to get into some equipment stuff. I was very proud of how you played. I texted you. I was proud of you. But talk to me about where you’re at with everything. Yeah, I mean it was obviously a great experience being being under the gun like that. uh you kind of want to learn from those experiences every time and I thought I did a really good job of that and I thought I learned from from last time and kind of put it all out there. Played really well, played confidently. Um and just unfortunately didn’t get it done. But I thought walking out of there, you know, I did what I needed to do, just not quite enough. And and Aldrick, I feel like beat me. I didn’t lose anything. Right. where where the last time that you were in that situation, it was more more you handing it over to somebody else than losing than getting beat, right? So, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, that happened at at Windom. Um, and then so I did a good job this time. I did a good job and it just didn’t go my way. Do you know what’s fascinating? So, just for the people that are listening to the show, like I’ve known M. I knew Max I think right before I started at Callaway is when you and I started talking on Instagram. I think is kind of where it started, right? like it like slid into each other’s DMs which is like creepy and awesome at the same time. But you have you have progressed and this is one thing I I will say and I’ve said this I said this to Soka and I said this to Johnny Thompson also. You we’ve seen you grow from I don’t want to say struggling cornfairy tour player but like you know when’s he just an average when’s this kid going to get out to the tour you know type player to like now being bonafideed like is he going to make the Ryder Cup? Is he gonna make the President’s Cup team? You know, you know, you’re always in the playoffs. You’re always in the hunt. I think you have four runner ups so far in 47 events. Is it four or five? Like that’s a wild number. So, really quickly, what’s what’s shifted? Do you think you’re a better PGA Tour player than you are a Cornferry player? Because that’s actually a thing. Some players aren’t their best until they get out on tour. Is it is it just the higher stakes? Like, what is it for you? What is it for you? I would say the courses are a little different. Um, there’s more rough on tour, there’s more there’s firmer grains, there’s faster grains. Uh, there’s there’s more people around you. It’s more of a circus. It’s a whole operation. It becomes more of a job. Yeah, that’s huge. Uh, it’s it’s a little maybe more monotonous and and very hyper competitive. And um, I find myself, you know, going to earlier, staying later to kind of compete out here. You got physios, you have your private physios, you have gym warm-ups. It’s just there’s a lot more going on and I don’t know if it’s um a mindset mindset thing. Obviously, the golf is is is at a bigger stage and the scores are I think are a little lower relative to the golf courses, but for me it was a little bit of a mindset change. Getting comfortable, um believing in myself, trusting my equipment, uh maybe not fishing quite as much as I used to, but still but still a lot. It’s still a lot. just not quite as much as I used to. So, it’s a whole list of a whole list of those I think makes a big difference. And so, I’ve I’ve kind of feel like I’ve kind of found my own lately. You know, it took me a little bit last year and then I think I got I’m comfortable. I’m comfortable out here now. It’s guys that I’ve seen before that I maybe always saw were better than me and and now now I’m a little more comfortable competing against them. Yeah. And I think you know um and you knew this but I I I I run Mediate’s Instagram channel, right? So him and I are always talking love. Well, that’s that that’s that’s him and I. So the the thing that he said cuz he watches on Sundays. He doesn’t watch golf until it gets to Sunday. And he was the first person that texted me. He’s like, “This Max Graaserman kid is a dog.” And I’m like, “Explain what you mean by that.” He’s like he doesn’t have an ounce of fear. Like the way that he plays it’s almost like he’s playing by himself. Like he’s almost like he’s it looks like he’s playing against himself. He’s like which is what a what a lot of the great players do. That’s part of golf. I think that’s part of golf. You know, it’s a it’s just an internal battle um for 18 holes because you hit a shot and you wait and then you’ve got five minutes to the next shot. And I feel like it’s part of golf is an internal battle just as much it is it’s a physical physical game and it’s certainly a physical game. You look at the guys nowadays ball speed um touch control the whole list of items but I think the mental game is is certainly certainly okay. So you’re you’re a Duke boy. I’m going to get to basketball really quick. I have to ask the question. I’m a huge Cooper Flag fan. Are you like all in on this kid right now? cuz I I am I’m I’m bought in. Well, he’s I hear he’s a big time golfer. So, I gota I got to support those guys. Any guys that can can grow the game like that with his following and, you know, be good at basketball. I need to meet this guy. I’m excited. I’m excited. Okay. So, I’m work I’m working on it right now. So, I’m already I already got clubs heading out to him right now as we speak. That was the first thing when he got drafted. Hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. So, I got clubs I got clubs heading his way because you know me, dude. I can infiltrate I can I can infiltrate any any any uh any bases. So, he’s got some All right, let’s let’s get a game going. Well, that’s that was my next thing is like we need to do that that Max Grazerman Duke on Duke uh YouTube video with you uh playing with Cooper. I’m going to try and set that up. Okay. And I did want to take a moment to interrupt this show to to bring attention something we’re very proud of is our T-commerce. Uh if you want a logoed fully equipped golf.com logoed merchandise from grayson G4 multiple companies you want some cool stuff with the uh fully equipped logo to uh our T-commerce section of the site. A lot of cool stuff in there. Um obviously I don’t have any of it on right now. I just didn’t have time to put all that stuff on, but uh there’s some cool logo stuff in there and I’m uh working tirelessly to uh to liven it up even more than it already is. So, uh, make sure you guys check that out if you want all the fully equipped golf.com branded logo, gear, uh, tcommerce is where you’d find it. Uh, let’s get back to the show. Um, okay, let’s get to the equipment stuff. This is an equipment show and this is all the gear heads know that you’re obviously a tester and a tweaker and a whatever else. So, I’m not going to treat this like what’s in the bag stuff because if you want to know what’s in your bag, we’ll get to that. But, like, talk to me about your obsession with with equipment in general, like you’re a very curious player. So, if something comes out you want to try, you like whenever something that comes out, you know, through Callaway, for example, I I’m always expecting a text or a DM from you like, should I try this? Is this something I should check it? So, how much passion do you have for just equipment in general as like a golf fan? Like, how much do you follow it? Are you in the forums? Are you banging around? Like, talk to talk to the people about that real quick. I feel like for whatever reason I got into golf equipment, whether it’s was something that I thought was cool, like I don’t know, people in different Jordan brand golf shoes or sneakers or something like that, you know, people have different senses of of fashion style and I just got I thought that golf equipment was was cool. Could I potentially get better? It was more of a fun thing. Well, this looks cool. This that looks cool. And then it became uh well, this can be better. So, let me find any sort of avenue where I feel like I can do better, whether that’s shaft, whether that’s club head, uh, grip, I’ll flo around with grips as well. So, I just started to go down the I would say golf works forums because they had like what’s in the bag picks on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays. So, when I was in high school, I would like click what’s in the bag. What is I don’t know Mickelson have in the bag on Tuesday at the Shell Houston Open. Um, so I would click on that and I would just scroll down the pictures and just like just be curious of what what what are good players playing? Maybe I should be playing what good players are playing. And so that just kind of piqued my curiosity and then I was able to get on staff as a junior with companies and I was able to order more clubs. You know, I was never able to buy any of these clubs really and then I started to play better and and then I had the freedom to maybe try all these things. So once I got that freedom and the support from, you know, Callaway, I just started I just started going down the deep end. What what is this? Is this good? Is this bad? And and I’ve kind of found my comfort zone a little bit and I tweak within that. And so, you know, Callaway’s been a great great supportive sponsor, always willing to push boundaries and post new products. Uh whether it’s the same head and just put a little bit of glue up front here or there to fit my needs. And and they’ve been they’ve been world class. and I’ve really enjoyed my time being with them and you know every every week poses a different I mean I might have the same driver ahead but it’s probably gone it ain’t the same driver so like you are you are the first player and I can say this with confidence so amongst the reps people get reputations not for being a pain in the ass but just for a like you know call him a try a tester a constant tester usually when you’re When you’re labeled a tester, it means that you’re testing to fail. Meaning like this this guy’s never gonna make it. Like he’s just he’s down the rabbit hole. You were the first player. And the fun the fun thing about this is that you had the confidence of the Cornfairy reps when you were on Cornfair. Like Sroka was like, “It’s only a matter of time. This kid’s going to get out there and be successful. We know it. We know it. We know it.” But in the same breath, it’d be like Max is testing irons. Max is doing this. Max is doing that. But you’re the first gear head of your generation that I know that’s actually been successful, made it out on tour and is going to end up playing on the RDER Cup and the President’s Cup. So, all of your instincts have actually helped you, you know, like you’re the way that Yeah. Because I feel like people get a bad rep of trying too much stuff and potentially trying too much stuff means you’re not doing doing anything well and you’re searching and you’re searching. But I never saw it that Well, because you have, and I was going to bring this up, and I told this to a bunch of people, you have a very, very deep understanding of equipment. You understand center of gravity, you understand, you know, dynamic loft and you understand, you know, dynamic line angle. That also helps. Yeah. understand it all and you you know how it relates with my with my uh I think the more you understand the physics behind it not on like a super deep understanding of the physics just a simple Trackman understanding I learned that from my coach Smith and that understanding of attack angle and how upright or flat affects face angle or how forward CG will affect spin or or toward CG makes it curve more Right. All those sorts of things that kind of helped me fine-tune finetune my equipment as well. Right. And whenever you and Jeff would work on something in your swing, for example, if you if you were in a pattern where you know, for example, your angle of attack with a driver or fairwood starting to creep down, right? You you know exactly what it’s going to take for you to get the same shot that you were doing when you were hitting up on it, right? So, you’re like, “Okay, I need to change I need to start looking at shafts. I need to start looking at lie angle.” Um, you know, once you get in your sweet spot, like we’ve found that I usually do well when I’m swinging about two two and a half up, but if I start swinging too much up, it’s probably because I have too little off and you’re reacting. So you got I got to make sure the players advanced players are so good at reacting to equipment that you have to make sure it’s properly fit because all the great players on tour if you just give them a club within three swings they’ll be able to figure it out within well do you know what the hard so I got to make sure you know what the hard the hard part for you guys is and you don’t do this because you’re you’re a little bit old school this way if it doesn’t work with it a couple swings it’s going to get thrown back with the wrap but then you’ll get players like like Rombo’s a perfect example. Sometimes he just gets his heart set on a golf club that looks good to his eye, right? And he’ll start to react to make it work. And this is where Kellen’s really good. Kellen will be like, “Are you doing this? Are you doing this or is the club doing this?” And he has to ask him that question like, “Are you are you making this work because you just want it to work or like and that’s when it that’s when it gets tricky. I used to think you would want to hit like 10 balls and take the average and compare that with 10 balls of another club taking the average. And in reality, the first ball says a lot. First ball will say a lot because then I’ll react to the second ball. But uh you know for me I found that like high eight degree like 8.7 8.8 is my sweet spot. So that that took a lot of testing and knowing that I have to swing a certain amount of them. Well, and for you, you know, with driver, obviously it’s 8 or 8.75, but you’re still seeing loft. I’ve always I’ve always known you to like you have on a driver, you have to set it down and see loft. So, if it’s flopped open or if it has the appearance of being not enough even like because you can make an 8 and 1 half degree driver look like it has loft by the face angle, right? So, I’ve always noticed with you, you always swing it well when you see loft in the driver. Obviously fairwoods, you need to see loft because you want to feel like you can hit down on it. And you know, you have very specific needs. But the the the fun thing with you is watching your equipment evolution is you’re learning that what you’re seeing with your eyes and what’s going on in the air are starting to marry up, right? So where you can actually start to swing freely. And I think a lot of that’s just in based on the understanding of your own swing dynamics. I think you’ve your knowledge of your own golf swing once you got out on tour probably leveled up quite a bit, right? I I think I can become my own club fitter as well. Not that the not that the guys in the truck, the guys in the truck know more than me on the average, but I know my swing the best and and needs to when I swing it and where I need to see it. So, I can kind of work hand in hand with the guys in the truck to to sort of fine tune the equipment, right? And that’s what we’ve done that’s what we’ve done well with the driver, I think, uh, in the last in the last month and last year as well. We’ve really fine-tuned that part of the bag because that was always been kind of a little searching for me within the equipment world and we fine tuned that part. What uh what driver did you swap back into a triple diamond or are you still in that corehead? Yeah. No, I’ve been playing the triple diamond elite since the week before the PJ Championship. Okay. Okay. And so I but I’ve also played three different those heads since then. So So okay, hold on. Stop. So So I I I know that cuz cuz Kellen or you know they’ll tell me like Max did this, Max did that. So explain to the folks at home that aren’t on a truck that don’t understand how it works. So when you say same driver, three different heads, what are they doing to these heads and what goal is achieved through switching those three heads? At first it was let’s play this on upright to help me close the face and get me off of the toe that shifted my impact location from the toe to the middle. So um by going in upright and it helped me shut the face. So then and allowed it like the balls I was leaking things right. I was thinking things right and we sorted out that way and that helped but I thought that was a little bit of a cheat and I had trouble cut had trouble cutting it as well because it was playing the face too far left. So your your cut your cuts were starting too far left and weren’t curving off the far far to the right. Yeah, I felt like I had every shot except the ball that started down the left edge and cut back every shot. It was really bothering me how I didn’t have that shot cuz that’s usually my go-to shot. So So then we um took it off upright to allow me to get that shot. We also shortened the shaft half an inch. Squared up easier. Went from a black, bent this to a blue. Okay, which which is going to help the strike point, which is, you know, if you’re going shorter and you’re going flatter, you have some levers. You have some levers that you can pull. So at that point, you probably need more droop. You know, you you need to shaft the leg behind you a little bit to keep the strike point in the same spot. So they for the people at home that don’t understand how it works, when you change lie angle, for example, to achieve a certain shot, like the fitters have to go in and start to pull levers to keep everything that Max had in his hand, but gain him something else because you don’t want to lose. You don’t you don’t want to start playing driver whack-a-ole. So So just for the folks at home that don’t understand how that works, that’s how it works. Okay, keep going. And then another thing we tried because we were fighting too much spin. Okay, we put a little glue forward. A little glue forward. And then we also put three grams of glue in the toe just to help me kind of take it off that left edge of the fairway and cut it back. That slows the slow the toe down a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a just enough to where I feel like I really had confidence that I could start it down the left side and cut it. And it took a little bit of a hit cuz I couldn’t draw it as easily as you know in the D setting, but it became a lot more consistent. Became a lot more consistent and I think that showed at at the rock you know. So I’ve consistently kind of I’ve always noticed with you and I actually found this out about you when we did that video for AI smoke. Remember when we were on the at Lita and you were hitting those drivers? is like 7:00 in the morning and and what I’ve always noticed with you is with the drivers that you turn over easily, right? Like if you have a driver that you can aim it down the right side and hit a hook, that typically ends up being a driver that you might hit well, but it has a big miss somewhere, right? Like there’s there’s a there’s a so if you have to if you have to if you have to trade performance, not being able to hit a draw the way you want to hit a draw is probably a good thing because to do it effectively with a driver that cuts and does everything else, there’s probably a big miss in there somewhere. Typically, it’s the wipey right one, right? It’s the one that you miss right to right because the head’s not rotating. Is that pretty? And that’s kind of why 100% definitely nailed it there. And that’s kind of why I use a mini driver as well, so I can turn it over if I need to and not have to rely on drawing driver. Is that I’ll leave that to I’ll leave that to Rory. That’s someone who really knows. Well, because it it it for the folks at home to hit a draw the way that Rory Mroy did. That’s why that’s why Rory’s become feast or famine with a driver cuz when he’s on it’s he’s it’s incredible, but it’s a hard shot as a stock shot to manage as a draw because you have to your impact conditions have to be pretty pretty sound. One, and two, it’s a it’s a lower spin. It’s a low spin shot. So, if it’s off, it’s it’s out of your hand. like if you don’t have your timing right or you’re not swinging it well that day and it’s hard to go from the high draw to something else to save it because you’re literally going from this high te high draw to like a you know like a fairway finder where you’re sawing across it just to get it in the fairway and you’re giving up like 25 yards, right? So it’s like the the cost is huge. So, um, yeah. Is is you So, I was just searching for that one trusty shot shape and I found Is is your mini driver still like 42 and a half inches? Is it still really short? Yeah, I bumped it up to 43 just to get a little more juice out of it. Um, I think it’s a little course dependent whether I play it at 42 and a half 4. Didn’t you have Didn’t you have one that was 42 for a minute? Didn’t you have one that was like 42 in? It was like fivewood length for a second. Was that you or was that Min? That was you. Uh I had I’ve always put it in 42 and A2 which is pretty short. It’s pretty short. And for a mini driver. For a 3-wood that’s probably a little short, but for a mini driver. I think retail they come in like 43 and 3. Yeah, it’s it’s an inch for for tour. It’s an inch short. 43 and a half’s pretty stock on tour. 43 and a quarter 43 and a half on a mini driver. So you were playing at like 3/4 of an inch to an inch shorter, but still getting low one low to mid70s out of it with good spin and getting it up in the air and Yeah. You were still doing all the things with it. Yeah. And then when it’s when it gets when it gets hot, it it goes That’s the thing. I like the 43 when it gets hot, but only the 42 and a half when when it’s cold, right? Like like like in in in Scotland and Ireland, for example, that that shorter one might be great. Is that your flight? Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I met Yeah, I meant 40 43. Yeah. 43 when it’s clober because get a little more. But I found this summer that 40 43 goes too far. So I think I might dial it back to 42 and a half inches. This is for for distance just to make sure I hit my So if if you’re going to Scotland for example, Ireland, are you going to make any tweaks to the bag? Are you going to put that driving iron in? Like what what adjustments do you make when you’re going to like play in Europe? Last year I tried a one iron in Europe 16 in UT alloy blue vented shaft. It was really good. Kept it under the wind. But it was like wasn’t wasn’t really a the the shots that I was hitting. I only had one shot. It was low and par so I couldn’t really work I couldn’t really work that club just because I already hit kind of low to begin with. So it was great off the tee, but it only it carried 240 and rolled to 300. It was not I didn’t think it was that useful of a club even though I thought it could be very useful over there. The mini driver I think is great. I think it’s great for overseas. So, I’m excited to to put put that put that weapon in. Last week was actually the only week of the year I use a 3-wood. I think that’s the only time I the only the only time the Rockets the first week that I’ve seen you in a long time this that since last year that you had a 3-wood in play. Yeah. It’s just a weird course and not weird that it’s just very shot specific on the par fives. If it’s a certain wind direction, you could have because all the par fives are the same direction facing. If it’s a certain wind direction, you could have four 3-woods into the par fives, right? So that’s very course specific. Whereas I normally have maybe I’m averaging less than one 3-wood into a par five turn. Right. Yeah. So that’s where the mini driver is much more critical. Mo mostly into the par fives you’re hitting that Apex Pro four iron or you’re hitting your UDub into a par five, right? Like if you’re trying to reach it, like you’re not hitting you’re not ripping 3-wood into a lot of par. Yeah, exactly. So, usually not. Do you think just out of curiosity just on the mini driver for a second, do you think there’s a world where you go a little shorter because it’s a little bit easier to keep down when you go to Scotland to to or are you still looking for that extra distance? Do you think you’re going to need the extra distance when you go to Ireland? Is it or is that something you’ll figure out when you get there? Yeah, I think you just figured out when you get there. The conditions change so quickly that, you know, one wind direction could change. I could put a Last year at the Scottish, I used the one iron the first two rounds and took it out the last two rounds. Um, at the Travelers, I used a two iron for two rounds and a UW for two rounds. It’s just like just But that’s a specific part of the bag. I only do that with that part of the bag, but I think uh it’s more of a driver probably in Scotland because you can keep that lower easier. I like to tee it down and get it like launch like four degrees or something like that, you know, and has less spin. So, um definitely definitely we’ll check out the weather and just see what club. Do you know what I think? I’m not afraid to do you know what I think? I think for a lot of you kids that go out to the open, I think going on the truck in Europe and seeing Putney and those guys and building a one or a two iron is strictly nostalgic. I think it’s like it’s like a right of passage. Like I’m here and I got to get a one iron. Like I saw so many guys go on the truck to build one iron my first year. That’s how I felt. Yeah. It was like I I can’t leave here without building a one iron. Like I don’t even know if I’m going to use it. I just want it because that’s just kind of what happens. This is something you have to do. Um okay. I I I want to pivot really quick. because I have some fun questions I’m going to ask you at then. I know you’re catching a flight. You switched from your TCBS, which you loved, you hit great, into these XForgged irons. So, you know, that’s an iron that may hit retail, may not. We don’t know. But what’s what when when you’re going from a switch to a because they’re they’re they’re different irons. They have a different soul. One has offset, one doesn’t. I heard it might be might be retail in the next few months, which is not which is going to make the gear heads crazy. They’re going to love that. But for you, when you switch irons, what was the biggest difference between the two? Like what did you pick up out of switching into XForge? X Forge felt longer heel to toe, so visually they look a little bigger in my opinion. Uh in the short irons, in the long irons it looks the same. And then uh it felt uh they felt like they dug less into the ground. They have that front end. So that was that was kind of one of the selling points. Did you have to cuz I would always have to grind the front end on Did you have to do that on these X? Did you have to roll the leading edge on your on your X4? You just leave them the way they were? No. No. You just leave them where they were. They they enter the turf, right? I know that. Okay. Well, that’s which I’ve never done that. I’ve never done that with an iron before. I’ve always got to front edge. So, I was kind of working on my original. Yeah. So, for the folks at home that, you know, basically what we’re talking about is if you go into the pictures, like if you go to the the World of Wonder website or any pictures you see, of like if I posted a picture of Max’s irons or on Golf WRX or whatever, he actually has a little bit of front edge relief on his irons and it’s just to create a little bit of bounce so the front edge gets through the turf a little faster. So, um there’s it’s it doesn’t feel as big. It like feels better on your wrist, which I had wrist surgery, so that’s why I started doing Well, and also if you feel like for you guys especially, you know, because as you guys start to swing faster, like what I’ve noticed about all of you guys, especially when you start getting under the gun, when when there’s blood in the water, you start swinging harder, your angle of attack gets a little steeper, things just start moving faster. And if you have a club that digs, you’re especially if you get on Bermuda, if you start to get in some of these different conditions, like you the last thing you want is a club that’s going to dig. Um, I’m not afraid to get extra steep occasionally. And that’s going to happen when you’re under pressure because instinctively that’s what athletes do. It’s like, I need to go after this hard. And when you go out hard, the shaft’s going to tip and you’re going to beat down on it because that’s the easiest thing to control. So, um, okay. Couple of questions. I’m going to let you go. Build for me your ultimate Callaway bag. Your alltime Callaway bag. Driver through lobber. And you can’t say what’s in your bag now. It’s a boring ass answer. You got to give me a real answer. Yeah, we’ll start from the bottom up. So, we’ll go live. We’ll go PM grind. Obviously 64 64 PM grind. I used to play it. So did I. Awesome. And um uh the the new Opus I think is Callaway’s best fighter they’ve ever made. I’ve had many of them. The SP. The new SP. Yeah, the SP I think they did a really they did a really good job and specifically the gap wedge. They did a great job because it looks very much like an iron and less like a wedge and that part of your bag you’re probably hitting full iron trucks with. So to me I set it down and it looks kind of like a blade like a blade iron. It’s got a great look to it. Okay. And then I have to go original TCBS or maybe original X. Since I’m in the X Forge, I got to throw it back to the original. Okay. Yeah, those are thick. Yeah, those are thick with the irons. The original X4s. That was the first the first irons that got me into cal really was those original X forge. Um, go all the way down to the tour players like to play the five iron now and get like four iron. So, I’m in the Apex Pro 4 iron right now. Probably go like Apex utility 4iron. Interesting tidbit. I saw Bryce Garnett’s back. He uses an Apex utility 27. Well, I have so my gamer gamer set my first two years at Callaway were Apex, the ones that Bryce has. I had the 24 and the 27 which was essentially like my four and five iron and then I had a 30 which was my six iron. And then I had seven through pitching wedge and a double dot. It’s I have all the still have all the heads. It’s the sickest iron set ever. Double double dots. Forgot about those. I probably have to swap those in. I probably this one with a spin with a with a with a Nike grooves on them. Yeah. Okay. And then what about what about like fivewood utility wood? You got to go Udub. Yeah. I mean Udub I feel like is the club that changed part that part of the golf industry. I’m surprised I’m surprised more more companies are not copying it. It doesn’t make sense to me because a lot of companies copy each other and I don’t know why they’re not copying that. I think it I think it was a I think it was a happy accident. You weren’t you weren’t on tour yet when that happened, but when that came out, it was literally just supposed to be a tour tweener club. That’s all it was. They were never going to sell it. It was never intended to sell. And at the US Open in 21, Auction was the first person to put it in the bag. And then this is on a Sunday. He puts it in. That’s why he has no paint on his cuz it wasn’t even a it was a it was an incomplete thought. He’s got a no paint mini driver, too. No paint. That one I’ll get I’ll get to that in a second. that that that OG mini driver which was like the the first two wood that they made. They made it for Phil. I have it in right hand. It didn’t spin. Like I don’t I don’t know how Auction is doing. They must put a ton of hot melt somewhere in that thing. But the ones that we hit, he likes to swipe. He likes to swipe across it. The ones that we hit when it first came out, dude, it it spun at like 1,800. It didn’t matter where you hit it. Like it just it didn’t spin. It just it just knuckled. So, but uh really quickly, so the UW actually puts it in the bag, goes to Tory for the US Open. Plays a practice round with Phil. I forget what hole was, but it’s a long par three. He rips it into this par three, hits it straight up in the air, lands soft, and spins, and it hits, you know, hits it to like six feet. And Phil’s like, “What the hell is that thing?” And he looks at it, and Phil is usually the first left-hander that’s going to get all the cool stuff. He had no, he had never seen it, no clue what it was. So I start walking back to the truck just because I wanted to not walk on uh to Tori anymore. And by the time I was getting back to the truck, they had already brought heads from ECPC to the truck and were building Phil his. So at some point he got on his phone from like the 7th T and texted somebody and probably said like give me my [ __ ] UW’s. Yeah. Sounds like it was wild. Okay. What about it’s got to be the UW. I mean, for a for a 3-wood, I mean, I know the mini driver is new, but it’s just it’s just mini driver. It’s just the mini driver. You can’t beat a Mini driver, I think. I don’t know why more people don’t get And then driver. I’ve got some some great memories, great memories of Mini Driver. I’ve got a fake albatross mini driver. Did you really? I hit it in the water. Drop. Uh it’s not a real albatross. It’s a fake albatross because at the Travelers, I hit it in the water in the practice round. Dropped rein. hit in the fairway, then made it with my mini driver from 262 or 254. That’s a hell of a three. Is that a three? I don’t I don’t That’s a four. It’s a birdie. It’s a hell of a four. I don’t think anyone’s ever made a birdie like that. There’s no way. I I Well, the mechanics of it are almost impossible. So, yeah. I mean, you’re you’re probably you’re you’re flying mini driver in there from 290. So, yeah. I mean, the odds are one in a billion. So, probably not. pull pulled out with wedge on the next hole in the same in a practice round. In a practice round, did you have a game going with anybody? No, but with my stats, coach. Yeah, he lost that one. Okay, mini mini driver. It is uh 3-wood. Got to be probably Henrik Stenson’s 3wood. The Diablo. The Diablo. It’s amazing. Yeah. Just you got to throw it in there. Driver, we got to go original Big Bird. The Epic or no, sorry, the Epic Flash with the slider. The Max LS. Epic Flash. That was a great driver. You know that was a great driver. The first Max LS. That was like Callaway’s first feray into like low spin and lowness. Yeah, that was a great head. The precursor to the triple diving max. Probably it was. That was the first smashed down tour driver that they made. That was for tour players like, you know, they took a a triple diamond head and smashed it down and and made it go that way. Um, okay. So, for the people that don’t know you, you know, that don’t follow you as closely as like maybe I would, like really quickly before I let you go. So, when you’re talk to talk to the people a little bit about like what your routine is now, you’re going into a major. So, you’re going to Scotland to play the Scottish Open, which feels like a major because everybody’s there. Everybody’s prepping. You know, let’s let’s be let’s be fair. You want to win that tournament, but ultimately it’s prep for the to go to Ireland. What is the next two weeks? What does the next two weeks of your life look like? Like, what are you going to be doing besides playing golf obviously, but how are you prepping? How are you mentally preparing? Well, I’m mentally refreshing by not playing golf this week and going to Wimbledon, which is what I often do in the middle of the season. I’ll probably take, you know, almost the full day golf because I’ve just been playing so much and then I go right back into it Monday morning. So, at the Scottish, I’m doing everything I normally do. I’m not changing anything. Some people like to play the week before majors, some people don’t. To me, I just look at majors as it’s just another event. I know people like to make majors seem like they’re, you know, these crazy accomplishments, but I think it’s just winning the same golf term. It’s the same 72, right? Yeah. The job, the jobs, the job’s the same. Yeah, the job’s the same. The media likes to portray it as a big deal. And it is a big deal. Gets you a lot of publicity, sponsorship deals, etc. But for me at majors, I try to I try to make sure that I feel that I’m playing the same, feeling the same. This is every other week. So that means I’m going to the physio room, I’m going to the gym, I’m doing my same routine that I do at the Scottish, the same thing I do at the Scottish the next British. I’ll be doing the exact same thing. So I think that’s part of my prep work is trying to keep everything the process the same as it is a non- major league. So that’s kind of that’s kind of what I try because because if you do it the other way and some every player is different. Some players like to get all jacked up for the majors and that’s their way in. But but ultimately like for you it’s um the simpler you keep it the stakes don’t get too high right because you can make the stakes so high in your head that it kind of takes you out of your you’re out of your body essentially. Um do you think now at this point you know we’ll call it your second full year on tour doing it you know like an adult like successfully do you think you’re ready to win a major? Do you think you’ve played a few of them now? Do you do you find yourself like I could win one of these? Like I’m I’m figuring it out. I’m I’m starting to learn how to play in these things. Do you do you feel like you’re getting there or getting close to that? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like this year I played in three of them so far, made the cut in every one. I think I finished 23rd and like 32nd both times in the other stuff like that. But I’ve played good enough to finish a lot better in all of them. And so I think that the signature events this year was gift prep for them as well. Basically any event that has very large crowds and a lot of people. So you’re going to feel more energy versus playing fairy tour with not many people or your regular PJ tour event with less people. You can feel more of the energy. So figuring out how to feed off of that and not making it more than it is. uh you definitely feel more nerves and you’re just kind of getting used to that and I think I did a good job of that in the first three majors and I’m just going to go out there and compete like I do every other week and I certainly think I’m capable of winning a major. I mean JJ Spawn won the US Open and he’s a phenomenal player. Wham Winham Clark. Yep. He’s it’s not like Scotty Sheffler and Rory win every major. There’s plenty of people who can win majors, you know. There’s plenty of plenty of plenty of good players on the store. myself included that can show up and win any week. And that’s that’s kind of what you have to that’s that’s the mindset you have to have. It’s like if I do my thing, I’m just I have just good a chance to win as anybody. Um okay, I’m going to let you go. I get this question a lot. The people ask me like what are the what’s the toughest golf course non- major on tour? And my answer is kind of always the same. I always say Bay Hill when the wind blows. I think it’s the toughest one you guys play. That’s not a major. What would you say? Yeah. Yeah, Bay Hill certainly up there. Mirfield Village. Absolutely. It’s just It just seems like it’s built to just be as hard as possible. It just seems like Bay Hill and Murfield are just the idea is to just absolutely torture us. Yeah, for sure. It’s just uh and it’s, you know, it’s it’s a good solid test, but it’s very very very difficult. Yeah. It’s uh it’s almost like Steph Curry went out and played in the ProAm and I saw him the next day and he came in. He’s like he’s like, “Bro, I don’t know how these guys do it.” Like this golf course from the ProAm teaser is impossible. Like he’s like it’s it’s not even funny. So, uh well, I’m happy I’m happy I do what I do and you do what you do cuz I have I don’t I would never want to go in there and bang it around out there. But Maximus, I will say this, my friend. I’m very proud of the man that you are and and the career that you’re building for yourself. It’s been fun watching you from like for years now. So, um, yeah, it’s been an unbelievable ride. Get to where you’re going quickly and safely, and, uh, we’ll be watching, but thank you for coming on, uh, fully equipped and spending 45 minutes with the gear heads. And, uh, I’m sure we’ll find each other via text or DM here in the next couple days as we always do. I’ll hop hop back on when I get my next win. I love it. I love it. All right. Uh, thanks for coming on, pal. And uh that’s fully equipped episode 292. Want to thank Max Grazerman. Uh we are out of here.
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Must be nice getting to go globetrotting and golfing…and getting a fat check to do it! 😎👍
Dude looks like Rory